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mully13 Posts: 5
10/10/2016
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Is anyone else think that Marvel comics has lost it?
Relaunch after relaunch. A glutton of #1's just to get sales. Is there any consideration for the collector out there?
$4.99 cover prices?? If DC can do $2.99 cover prices, why is Marvel so greedy? It's not the quality..
The quality... is terrible. Poor writers (that Marvel trumpets as the best) and artwork that is worse than my 5 year old niece.
No new ideas..retreading past events... Secret Wars. Civil war 2. What the hell?
GARBAGE!!! Why do people keep buying??
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expander Posts: 241
10/10/2016
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I've been P.o.'d at them for years I can understand a reboot every10 or 20 years for certain stale titles but, not EVERY SINGLE FREAKING ONE!
And the variant craze is zanier than EVER 30+ different covers for Spider-Man really?
What's worse is the farther the cover price goes away from the old double digit prices the higher the secondary market prices go for golden and silver books and I'm even seeing ridiculous spikes in bronze age dollar bin fodder.
All that being said I do hold dear my favorite characters from my childhood days and I think Marvel knows it, they know the die hard fans want every #1 and every variant and they'll put deadpool on a Heathcliff Reboot just to prove it.
Wait!, did he say Star comics Heathcliff #1 Deadpool variant?
-Yes he did.
When does it come out??????
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Gilgandra Posts: 1246
10/11/2016
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I haven't brought any Marvel stuff for ages, Although i did get a variant there awhile ago but that was it.
Just lost all interest in everything Lol. Couldn't track the stories no-more (care factor was way to low) & the prices, well...
The extra prints, Why! Yep i know they are a company needing cash as we all do. But when i see 3rd print not selling out in a LCS & they announce a 4th print ???
Having way more fun with IDW, Image, Dark-Horse, DC & some independents.
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lealew7 Posts: 73
10/11/2016
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I am so used to everyone always talking about MARVEL and DC, but i have always been a fan of all those random publishing companies, like crossgen, IDW, IMAGE, DarkHorse, and even Valiant is worth delving into once and awhile, but i'm marvel'd out when it comes to my comics. i love Broadsword comics, more the older stuff, and i miss Chaos! so very much, but after Hughes passed, the art isn't the same. most of the art is all the same now, either barely a lick of detail and so very plain and simple, or there is just waaaaaaayyyy too much going on that it is hard to follow the page alone i miss the old days of comic and how they were made....anyone else?
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expander Posts: 241
10/13/2016
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@ lealew7 +1 for sure.
I had almost every chaos book there and gave up on the idea of a complete set.When we needed to move I sold everything but a few evil ernies,and a few lady deaths now i just don't like looking at them because they bring back bad memories.
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mully13 Posts: 5
10/18/2016
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Holy cow I totally forgot about the variant nonsense.
I wouldn't mind indies, but I was put off way back when Image went months between putting out the next book.
How does Marvel need money? Their movie business ( and tv too) is off the charts.
But how do they think they can pass off this terrible artwork and writing as good? And why do people continue to buy it is what frustrates me. Some people are telling them it's ok. No sales= no success.
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lealew7 Posts: 73
10/18/2016
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for older generation comic readers and collectors, we had the opportunity to experience some of the best parts of the comic book creativity and experience. Then newbies now, they don't get the same experience and they have to deal with what is presented to them, which is a bunch of this bland/bad story line or just mediocre artwork. there are the few who still have it, don't get me wrong, but once everything went to laser print and not on paper pages like the good ole days, the comics themselves just changed for me. not necessarily in a good way either. the art is nothing like it really used to be because its mostly all computerized instead of the best and amazing hand drawn pieces that used to bless our comic shelves ugghhh, the nostalgia......
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expander Posts: 241
10/18/2016
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That's why I have trouble letting go of some of my older books they just feel like something special when you hold them in your hands. The covers were great the books weren't 40% ads and the stories were good. Even in some of the less popular titles and "B" and "C" characters had great writers. When Marvel copied a DC characters or vise versa they sometimes outshined the original because of the art and stories.
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mully13 Posts: 5
10/21/2016
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I'm very nostalgic myself. I thought the whole purpose of the Ultimates line, or the Marvel knights line to some extent, was to offer new readers a chance to jump on board to new story lines (updated at that) and leave the existing continuity alone.
But then the writing, and the editing, got so off course, they need a re-boot to erase all of the nonsense that ended up getting created.
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expander Posts: 241
10/21/2016
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the whole thing just got so crazy I stopped reading the ultimates books after the scarlet which/quicksilver "twincest" storyline just about made me barf. and to top it all off they had wolverine just sitting there watching from the bushes???.... just insanity
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Gilgandra Posts: 1246
10/21/2016
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expander wrote:
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the whole thing just got so crazy I stopped reading the ultimates books after the scarlet which/quicksilver "twincest" storyline just about made me barf. and to top it all off they had wolverine just sitting there watching from the bushes???.... just insanity
WTF...this actually happened, Oh my 
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expander Posts: 241
10/23/2016
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wish it was not true.... I didn't read a comic for weeks after. My faith in the medium was truly shaken. (but only for a week, my lcs owner just laughed so hard when I told him.)
......Currently however I'm just trying to keep up with civil war II. As would be expected it branches out over many titles and I still somehow lost track of just WTF was going on so looks like I'm waiting for trades on this stuff too.
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captnwilli Posts: 11
10/26/2016
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I feel your frustration!! It does seem like a huge variant based money grab by the big two and we're supposed to eat up what's being served. And like it too! With no say and no complaints. But then again, no one is forcing us to buy I guess. It does however make me reminisce about a time when anticipation was high and you just couldn't wait to get in front of a freshly stocked spinner rack of new comics. Just the smell alone of that new ink was almost to much to take. For me this was the late 70's, early 80's.
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captnwilli Posts: 11
10/26/2016
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Don't get me wrong. There's a whole bunch of those variant covers that are way cool! But being a completist, I'm afraid that once I start I'll be way in over my head and way out of money.
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expander Posts: 241
10/26/2016
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captnwilli wrote:
......and way out of money.
I heard that!
I've had to put things back or into my pull-box for later more than once.
It's way to easy to walk into the lcs and be holding hundreds of $ in merch in your hands in mere seconds.
I miss the idea of a variant being a price difference or newstand/direct (which some folks still don't consider a variant. I did go into length on the subject in the old threads because in order to make the cover have a picture in the upc box the printing plates still needed to be changed so it is by my opinion a variation of the original but I digress.....) I also like full complete runs and have 50+ variants of one issue is simply ludicrous to me.
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prof2780 Posts: 49
10/30/2016
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I agree, Marvel seems to have lost it quality wise. I still get Spider-Man, and Deadpool titles, but that is about it. The art is in my opinion not very good, and there is no continuity because they relaunch too frequently. I just picked up a Black Panther current issue, it was like reading a philosophy textbook. I hope they can get it together. maybe it has been taken over by business executives obsessed with growth and market share increases for every quarter.
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lealew7 Posts: 73
10/31/2016
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the only black panther set i have, are the 3 part in the run of them being transported between dimensions/worlds and meeting their zombie selves it was awesome since i am big on finding random zombie issues of just about any comic, lol. they just give it the added humor/gore/ and twist from the typical super hero role.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
10/31/2016
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While I am not a fan of reboots the cause has been past collector behaviours. As the issue numbers rise there is natural attrition and the read ship rarely grows except around milestone issues. Sadly, the numbers never rise because many collectors/readers would jump on a long running title because they found it "too hard" to get into the storyline (lol). Laugh if you want but this is absolutely true. People said as much on this forum before.
Marvel's numbers have been good despite the grumblings. The reboots and variants continue to sell. If you want change then don't buy ... Mind you that will just bring a reboot. lol!
For me I like a lot of what Marvel have been producing. Most of the characters I enjoy have been improved and have a more prominent roll in the Marvel U. They also continue to find some really good writers. DC on the other hand has been pretty stale though the rebirth reboot has created a bit more interest from me ... Probably because there are a few more Wonder Woman books and a few of my other female heroes are back or new ones have appeared.
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11/3/2016
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I enjoyed quite a few of the dc reboot stories.
I also agree that the characters who were reserved for filler stories (in the past) are seeing their due focus.
I like the Inhumans, it seems there's a lot of potential for great stories with them.
As far as jumping in mid story, my solution has been to seek out TPB's to get caught up or to at least read the few issues that I missed leading up to my jumping in point. (which is easier with modern issues and not so much with older stuff )
That being said it's not that marvel hasn't reprinted the older stories but what few collected editions are offered don't seem to contain all of the material (case in point the essential marvel books jumped around a bit ) Not including single issue stories in favor of 20 book story arcs is a put off because I'd like to read them as they happened.
All in all I still like the experience of trying to piece together runs,
I think from a cost perspective it's prohibitive depending on your range of interests. (It's easier to focus on all issues of one character/story than all issues of all stories)
My main issue with marvel is simply that I sometimes don't even know where to begin when it comes to buying new books in long running titles. I buy issues of ASM and realize I'm already missing two or three books prior (story-wise) so even though I like the covers it actually serves me no purpose as far as reading the story.
I may just be nit-picking here but I'll still seek out my favorite characters just in TPB form.
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