1/16/2016
Topic:
Which service to use?
Oxbladder
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Godlike1 wrote:
I would add if you don't live in the US CBCS is brutal on return shipping (this was back in april last year so may have changed since) got a shipping quote from CGC they would have charged me 40% of what CBCS charged me.
Found the service outside of that excellent and was really happy with the books though 
Probably because they use an actual courier service whereas with CGC I believe that you do have some options, To be perfectly honest though shipping to and from the US is brutally expensive and, if you are in Canada, it is only going to get worse.
To answer the main question though is that CBCS is not going to be a fading service no matter what the CGC fans think. In some instances you may get some % more for a CGC graded book but, for the most part, whatever gap there was is gone. CBCS has very, very strong business right now and has actually had to hire new people a number of times in the last year because they were receiving overwhelming number of books. TATs are still not where they would like them to be but the big differences is they are working all the time to reduce them and while trying to grow their business as well with new services.
CBCS is also headed by Steve Borock who was one of the bigwigs over at CGC from the beginning until he took a business opportunity at Heritage Auctions. He is very, very knowledgeable, very friendly and a megafan of comics. He knows his poop and commands great respect throughout the industry. So CBCS is here to stay and may even become the big fish on the block at some point. edited by oxbladder on 1/16/2016 |
1/16/2016
Topic:
Centerfold detached -- how high can it grade?
Oxbladder
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I think the common consensus (outside of this forum) is in the VG realm at best. However, I would suggest that the condition of the rest of the book should be VG+ or better to get that high. Whether it is a detached centerfold or cover it is much harder to maintain such a book because of the added care one must take in handling it. With a detached CF, for example, it can be hard to get it back into proper alignment and, therefore, it can stick out beyond the other pages and cause more wear to that fold. Yes it is a bit less of a problem than a detached cover but no matter which way you cut it the integrity of the book has been seriously compromised. Detached covers do get hit harder but I honestly don't understand why considering both defects cause the book to be harder to maintain, can compromise the completeness of the the book, and can lead to further damage. |
1/16/2016
Topic:
Books right off the shelves
Oxbladder
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You can, get books in the very highest grades off the shelves but you have to know your grading pretty well to do it consistently. there are people out there that firmly believe that it is impossible or near impossible to do this but that is not true. To be fair though 9.9 and 10.0 are very, very hard grades to find/achieve. This is simply because the odds are drastically stacked against books surviving printing, shipping to distributors, handling, shipping to stores, and handling at that end, then surviving their life on the shelves. never mind surviving all the handling afterwards.
As to whether or not handling reading will drop books down in grade, there are many who say absolutely but I must disagree here as well. You can carefully handle a book, leaf through it, and return it to it's protection without causing damage. I have done it, professional graders do it everyday, as do many other collectors. It is all a matter of doing it in a way that you know you will not put any sorts of stress on the book that will cause damage. It also means that you may have to pull out the "extremely anal" card and wear gloves and whatnot but it can be done and the fact that you find a great deal of high grade books out there is evidence of this. Of course when you look through the ages you find that as time has gone on and people learned more about handling and protecting books there are more surviving high grade book now than there are from the 30's to the mid 60's. |
1/16/2016
Topic:
"Event" books
Oxbladder
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I stopped caring about most events since Secret Wars 2. It was a slightly different time back then and not all events were done to try and sell more books. Some were done to actually modernize or fix issues with overall continuity. I think they do do too many events but at the same time I don't let it bother me. I simply avoid them, especially if it is an overall continuity thing. I don't really care too much about overall continuity unless it affects characters or teams I read.
Both Marvel and DC would probably sell more books across the board if they cut out the continual events and mini events and just focused on ensuring that they had good stories running across the board and work from there.
Few years back Marvel did this with the X-Men titles and they had several really good stories running then once but also had to keep on their toes and pay attention to the fact that certain series would merge in a mini event. They did one or two of these a year and there were some spectacular reads in there (Necrosha, Second Coming, etc). They then lost some focus to try and match DC's new 52 stuff and then carried away with relaunches. there were still good reads in there but they definitely lost their focus on having strong tiles across the board and mindful writing that flowed.
I would like to see a reduction in events and a focus on individual titles for at least a few years before they get back into event cycles. Marvel just keeps mixing and relaunching and offing diminishing stability of titles and DC's continuity is just totally b0rked. It makes as much sense as Marvel continuity before they decided to fix everything with the first Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars. |
1/16/2016
Topic:
Wonder Woman
Oxbladder
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I haven't got to the Finch issues yet but the previous issues were only "meh" for me. I found it a mix of Rucka and Perez WW from earlier days and not as good as either. It also created quite ab it of discontinuity with WW in other titles. In her solo title she was on an epic journey that didn't involve much heroing but at the same time she was banging and banging around with Superman and the Justice League. This harkened me back to the 70's and 80's Spider-man when he was all over the freaking place and the editors constantly had to add in caveats t explain that such and such story that you are reading took place before or after some story in another title. It got hard and harder for people to make the leap of faith and thus they decided to synchronize the Marvel U by taking a bunch of key characters off earth to fight some battle and drop them back in like they were never gone but now that they all reappeared at the same time everything was all synched up. A reboot without rebooting. The cool thing is that you really did not have to read MSHSW at all, if you did not want to (but it was a pretty awesome series). There were no stupid tie-ins, offshoots, etc.
But I digress, by the looks of it I might enjoy the Finch stuff a bit more since it looks like WW is going back to being a SH and not taking some selfish epic journey. |
1/16/2016
Topic:
WHAT'S HOT, WHAT'S NOT
Oxbladder
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knparzival wrote:
dogsupreme wrote:
knparzival wrote:
I cannot predict the future but books I think are under valued , World's finest 3 (first scarecrow), Fantastic four 48 batman 181 Action comics 58 (probably one of the most historically interesting superman covers) Wonder woman 178 Grenada 1984 (historically awesome, practically unknown)
Books that I think are high risk investments due to over speculation IMO, New Mutants 98 --approx 275k printed and there are a lot of collectors sitting on this \wonder woman 98 (series 1). Guide value is way low, but market prices are over the top Fantastic four 45,52 (I just do not believe these are nearly as key as 48, but due to speculation they have been selling for as much if not more) edited by knparzival on 1/4/2016
World's finest #3 (I assume you mean the Golden Age) maybe out of the realm of most collector's however BATMAN #189 (1st silver age Scarecrow) maybe better in terms of growth
FF #48 has always been a key blue chip so values are pretty steady on that one
BATMAN #181-1st Poison Ivy. Nice book but already pretty steep. ACTION #58?-What's up with that book?
Wonder Woman #178-I assume you mean volume 1 where she loses her powers and becomes a feminist ey Grenada I never heard of. Got a cover? Who is the publisher?
I agree on NEW MUTANTS #98. There are a lot of copies out there. Never seem to have problem finding a copy. It's the price that puts me off.
Wonder Woman #98 is a pretty expensive book already. I did not know it is the 1st silver age WW. I assumed it was #105 where she gets a new origin.
FF #45 and 52 may be in flux. It depends on how the characters are received in the movies. Both are hard to find in high gade anyway. The reason I like worlds finest 3 is that a lot of people think of detective 73 as scarecrows first when it is only his first cover appearance. Although Worlds finest 3 is not a cheap book, it is relative to detective 73. The detective book does have a much cooler cover so I understand that it adds a lot of value, but compared to other golden age firsts, the scarcity some of the worlds finest books and values of other key characters of the period, I see this book selling for relatively cheap.
Fantastic 48 for has always been a blue chip, but it seems to be getting overshadowed by some "newely hot". If one were to equate comics to stocks, I see fantastic four 48 would be like Microsoft and 45/52 as hot biotech companies. I think a lot of people are interested in some of these other books because they have had so much appreciation which has resulted in the overshadowing of some of the classics. I am not going to say that these other books wont do well, I just think a lot of their value is based on speculation which may or may not pan out. In my own opinion 48 is a much bigger key but the prices no longer reflect that. People however seem to be chasing books based on how quickly they have shot up recently vs how key the book is.
The reason I like batman 181 over 189, is that 181 is a true first appearance. I do not feel that silver age first appearances are nearly as significant as true first appearances. Also do to speculation I believe poison ivys first appearance has been overshadowed by batgirl, harley and super woman. In terms of scarcity and historic popularity I feel poison ivy has been the underdog in terms of value.
Many people do not know about Grenada and to me that is probably one of the only reasons this is not a 4+ figure book. This book is not only super rare it has been associated with CIA black Ops and was used as propaganda by the US against communism. If you collect books because of historical importance vs whos in it this is a book to have. The problem is the only people who seem to know about it are conspiracy theorists. There are a lot of collectors who will pay good money for historically cool books including myself. The problem is few collectors even know that this exists.
Yes, 178 is where she lost her powers. This is book is very important in terms of wonder woman's histery and is very hard to find in high grade because a lot of collectors are not willing to sell unless it is for $$$$. Cheap copies are however are still floating out there of really low grade copies. As wonder woman popularity grows this books seems to be getting much harder to find because there are not a lot of other wonder woman keys especially as cheap as this one. Wonder woman 105 use to be considered to be first silver age book and major key of that time period. The new school of wonder woman collecting has essentially announced that wonder woman 98 was the true fist silver age. As a result GD copies of this book essentially became multi-thousand dollar comics almost over night. Although it is a scarce book IMO those prices are too high
Actions comics 58 is a very tough book to find especially in mid+ grade. It is a famous and very racist cover superman says "slap jap". Although this book will fetch a slight premium, I think it has been way under valued which is probably why a nice copy is nearly impossible to find. For people who collect historic covers, I think this is one of the must own books, but the prices do not reflect it
Keep in mind this is all just my opinion.
With respect to the first series WW issues mentioned. I don't think either 105 or 98 are first silver age. WW continuously published right through the 50's where the silver age started. If I remember correctly #85 was pegged as the first silver age issue bak when I was actively seeking first series WW. 98 is "key" because it was the first issue with a brand new creative team on the book, the thing that carried the value of 105 over 98 for years was the supposed scarcity but I can tell you that most issues before 105 from about the mid to late 30's are really, really hard to find especially in VG and above. I guarantee you that one could probably find 20 copies of 105 in various grades before they found 20 copies of issues 80-104 (with some exceptions in there like issue 88 or 93) in any grade. I spent the better part of 8 years trying to finish the run of 39-112 in VG or better and I was still several issues short and not all in VG. In that time I think I might have seen maybe five copies of 98 for sale (including the copy I bought in VG for a record price at the time). |
1/16/2016
Topic:
What do you do for fun?
Oxbladder
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Comics, movies, tv, books, are my fun. |
1/17/2016
Topic:
Gilgandra Back Issues 2.0
Oxbladder
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With respect to Mad Love it did not have a low print run. It was more a matter of few collectors took these books very seriously because they were focused to a younger reader. While the cartoon caught on with fans of many ages the comic did not hit the heights of the "regular" super-hero fare. I should point out though Batman Adventures was a very good seller for the genre and DC would kill to have their all ages books sell as well now.
With respect to Supernatural Thrillers, this too did not sell anywhere near the same numbers as super-hero fare. The horror books of the late sixties and early seventies never really caught on and most didn't last much past six issues. The horror reprint stuff actually seems to do better. you also have to remember that a large number of books at this time were still going into the general distribution chain and as such many were poorly handled and ultimately remaindered (destroyed). Thus there was much more attrition than today. Also, many ended out in cheap bins, unprotected and constantly pawed through. These were fodder books for a very long time and so, like so many other bronze, copper and modern fodder books they tend not to often not be in higher grades.
HTH |
1/18/2016
Topic:
Any one do grading of Treasury Comics?
Oxbladder
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Hey DS! How's things?
None of the grading companies grade treasury-sized comics. I think the issue is constructing a case that would actually protect it the way the smaller cases do.
As for grading them. You grade them like you would any comic. It's just that some of the defects are going to be larger than they would on a smaller book 
Just FYI, you can get bags and boards for those colossal beasts. I have never seen the boards myself but there are supply places that carry them. You may want to double or triple them up depending on how thick they are. |
1/23/2016
Topic:
Centerfold detached -- how high can it grade?
Oxbladder
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I have never, ever come across a gold or silver age book where the manufacturing could be blamed for a detached CF. I have owned many a gold and silver age book and not one looked to be straining to hold its CF. Now I have owned and seen a few books that most definitely had staple punch through on the cover and those all got treated like they were damaged by the owner. So ... I would definitely hit a detached CF every bit as hard as a cover detached at a staple. It remains a serious integrity issue.
Now if the rest of the book was really high grade I could possibly go higher but I haven't yet send a book with a detached CF that would have graded higher than a fine without the detached CF. I did have a fine appearing copy of Wonder Woman #85 but the CF was detached and so both myself and another local agreed the book dropped to the VG ranges.
So really it all depends on the condition of the rest of the book. Higher than VG is not out of the question but highly unlikely. |
1/23/2016
Topic:
WHAT'S HOT, WHAT'S NOT
Oxbladder
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knparzival wrote:
You are right in that some guides listed 85 as the first silver age. There is however a "new" train of thought that the first silver age appearance so not based on the date the book was published but when the series was modified to the readers of that time which is why a lot of the Origins published in the 1950's and 1960's are noted as first silver age appearance even though they occurred at different dates in times.
Well then you can pick several issues for debating her silver age appearance. The fact remains that with WW it has been the same character right through the first series and only with a few minor modifications of her origin along the way. 98 was one of those issues. However, the new creative team was a big change, far bigger than any retelling of an origin or "first silver age" modern marketing ploy. I can tell you for fact this book is hard to find in VG or better and that fact alone used to drive this book into multiples of guide like most Wonder Woman books of the #39-112 range.
(BTW if this "new" look at old history is the law now then I suppose the there are two or more years of gold or atom age history for many characters. This furthers my utter contempt for the age names and the attempt to rebrand books to make them worth more.) |
1/23/2016
Topic:
1st appearance of Uncanny X-Force???
Oxbladder
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The team back when it was first created was referred to as X-Force with the one exception you mention. In that case it is a catchy descriptor than a true team name. The actual Uncanny X-Force did not appear until December 2010. I assume that it was named that way because it included members of Uncanny X-Men (and they likely didn't want go with the basic X-Force title again) edited by Oxbladder on 1/23/2016 |
1/23/2016
Topic:
Oxbladder's stuff 3.0
Oxbladder
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Well, I am going to simplify this process for me since it would take months to repost all my stuff again. I have almost everything I have scanned on my website:
http://www.oxbladder.com
So folks can browse there through the thousands of scans. Since I add to the galleries every week I will post a list of what I posted in each gallery. You will also be able to see them much larger than images here.
Sorry about no eye candy but it is a major task to post in two places ... Especially when you have thousands of scans to share. |
1/24/2016
Topic:
Oxbladder's stuff 3.0
Oxbladder
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Thanks I may post the odd image here and there but to post each one is just way too much work. (Right now I have been adding a backlog of images to my site (over 3000) which I have been doing on and off for a few months now. I spend a better part of a full work day on the last number of Sundays adding images (new stuff and the backlog))
Here is a recent variant for your viewing pleasure:
 edited by oxbladder on 1/24/2016 |
1/24/2016
Topic:
Oxbladder's stuff 3.0
Oxbladder
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Thanks Tex and Crow! Here is another teaser for you:
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1/24/2016
Topic:
Oxbladder's stuff 3.0
Oxbladder
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This week's purchases to be uploaded to my site's galleries today:
DC:
Batgirl (v.1): Silent Knight Trade Paperback Batgirl v.4 #47 Clean Room #4 Poison Ivy: Cycle of Life and Death #1 Slash & Burn #2 The New Teen Titans (v.1) Vol.4 Trade Paperback Wonder Woman v.4 #48
Marvel:
Captain Marvel v.9 (or is it 10?) #1 Ms Marvel v.4 #3 Patsy Walker, AKA Hellcat! #2 Silk v.2 #2 The New Avengers v.4 #5
Other Publishers:
Dark Horse Presents v.3 #18 Muirwood: The Lost Abbey Trade Paperback Phonogram: The Immaterial Girl #6 Rachel Rising #39
Other Publishers (not purchased this week but added):
Red Sonja 0-18, 100, 1973, and Trade Paperbacks Vol.2 and 3 Red Sonja and Cub Red Sonja: Atlantis Rises 1-4 and Trade Paperback Red Sonja: Berserker Red Sonja: Break the Skin Red Sonja/Claw #2 and 4 Red Sonja/Conan #1-4 Red Sonja: Deluge Red Sonja: Revenge of the Gods #1-3 and Trade Paperback Red Sonja: Sanctuary Red Sonja: She-Devil with a Sword #50-56, 64-80, Annual #3 and 4 Red Sonja: She-Devil with a Sword Omnibus Vol.1-3, Trade Paperback Vol.9 and 10 Red Sonja: The Black Tower #1-4 and Trade Paperback Red Sonja: Travels Vol.2 Trade Paperback Red Sonja: Unchained #1-4 Red Sonja v.3 #1 Red Sonja: Vulture's Circle #1-5 and Trade Paperback Red Sonja: Wrath of the Gods #1-5
Up to 6084 images in the galleries after this upload! edited by oxbladder on 1/24/2016 edited by oxbladder on 1/24/2016 edited by oxbladder on 1/24/2016 |
1/24/2016
Topic:
Oxbladder's stuff 3.0
Oxbladder
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Thanks Gil!
More teasers:

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1/24/2016
Topic:
Oxbladder's stuff 3.0
Oxbladder
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Most definitely. It is even more obvious in the comic that they are VP cast-offs. |
1/24/2016
Topic:
Oxbladder's stuff 3.0
Oxbladder
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Thanks Capn! The early MT stuff was pretty darn cool. |
1/24/2016
Topic:
CapnDoug's Back Issue Discoveries
Oxbladder
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Lots of great stuff Capn! I have a nice copy of that Adventure Comics 364. Super pets are pretty awesome. Streaky was a great creation. (As was Krypto) |