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Bilgesnipe Posts: 3
7/22/2016
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On rare occasion a comic gets released in a sealed poly bag. In the past two that stick out in my mind are the FF death of Johnny and there was a Superman milestone in the early 90's.
This week, Marvel's Civil War II #3 midnight release cover is in a sealed poly bag. What I am seeing through the bag is just a solid black cover with the title and such on it but when I look up the variant in the CPG, the picture of the cover has a sketch of the Hulk on the cover.
So I guess what I am getting to is this, does removing the poly bag or the poly bag being damaged affect the value of the comic?
Also, anyone know what the deal is with the difference in the covers?
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robotcat Posts: 54
7/22/2016
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On the Superman 75 guide page it says: "Black Bag Edition. Gravestone Cover inside. Valued full grade lower without bag."
Notice that is says 'without bag' and not 'outside of bag', so I'm guessing that it doesn't affect the value.
I have heard from many folks over the years, that the polybags used are deleterious towards the comic and should be removed. So in recent years, whenever I came across one that was bagged in such a manner, I would remove it from the bag, and if the bag had some sort of marking on it(like X-Force #17), after having cut the bag's top off neatly, I would fold the bag and put it on the other side of the backing board.
Now, granted, this is a $2 book, so probably not the greatest example, but then other than Superman #75, that have book values of any significance? (I'm unfamiliar with the FF death of Torch issue number and value)
Separately, I think the most common bagged comics that I repeatedly come across are ASM #365 and its 3 other 30th anniversary counterparts. Those came out 24 years ago, and having opened one up as recently as sometime earlier this year, I have never noticed any kind of ill affects from the bag, but then I wouldn't know exactly what kind I would be trying to find.
edited by robotcat on 7/22/2016
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Frontzie Posts: 14
9/3/2016
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I have an issue of The Losers #15 in its unopened clear polybag with the World of Tomorrow disc inside. I haven't had the heart to open it but came across an opened copy without the disc to use as a reading copy. Looking through the bag the comic doesn't look that bad or affected by staying in its bag (around 12-13 years!). I'm guessing some polybags are not "acid-free" leading to degradation over time.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
9/3/2016
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Poly bags aren't comics. They are bags. Some anal collectors will care about the bag but it's just a bag. I usually cut them open and bag the comic and any other contents and either toss the bag or fold it up and put it behind the bag opposite the comic behind the board.
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kds_comics Posts: 686
9/6/2016
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Oxbladder wrote:
Poly bags aren't comics. They are bags. Some anal collectors will care about the bag but it's just a bag. I usually cut them open and bag the comic and any other contents and either toss the bag or fold it up and put it behind the bag opposite the comic behind the board.
Have you seen where a toy from the 1950's is worth more if it is in original bag? When poly bags are not quite that important, but are part the the packaging.
Cut the top of the bag open carefully - you are not loosing any value here.
I keep the original polybag with the comic in a bag/board. The board is needed to keep the comic in good condition. Often - like noted here for Excalibur 75 - the addition of a polybag is worth a minimal amount. Mostly because the publisher made too many.
After the great comic book price crash in the 1990's - secondary retailer packed "grab bags" of comics together in third party polybags. These should be discarded. Only the publisher's polybag should be kept., Think of it as a novelty or a curiosity. A part of the set. Yeah, that's it.
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kds_comics Posts: 686
9/6/2016
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Frontzie wrote:
I have an issue of The Losers #15 in its unopened clear polybag with the World of Tomorrow disc inside. I haven't had the heart to open it but came across an opened copy without the disc to use as a reading copy. Looking through the bag the comic doesn't look that bad or affected by staying in its bag (around 12-13 years!). I'm guessing some polybags are not "acid-free" leading to degradation over time.
If a polybag is air tight - then that is fine. If air gets in the interior pages fade. Best to open the bag and put both in bag/board.
BTW - If you want some faded comics that had been in polybags unopened for years - let me know - I have dozens.
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Frontzie Posts: 14
9/21/2016
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kds_comics wrote:
Frontzie wrote:
I have an issue of The Losers #15 in its unopened clear polybag with the World of Tomorrow disc inside. I haven't had the heart to open it but came across an opened copy without the disc to use as a reading copy. Looking through the bag the comic doesn't look that bad or affected by staying in its bag (around 12-13 years!). I'm guessing some polybags are not "acid-free" leading to degradation over time.
If a polybag is air tight - then that is fine. If air gets in the interior pages fade. Best to open the bag and put both in bag/board.
BTW - If you want some faded comics that had been in polybags unopened for years - let me know - I have dozens.
I would open it, but recently got it signed (on the bag) by Andy Diggle. It looks relatively sealed. I did pick up quite a few polybagged comics recently, some faded, some not.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
9/25/2016
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As I said only the most anal will attach value or completeness to a poly bag. If you send a book to be graded they won't grade it unless you give them permission to open the bag. If you give it CGC will open it and chuck the bag and any non-comic contents. I think CBCS will send that stuff back.
If all comics came in poly bags you might be able to pull off the toy comparison but they don't and the poly bags have never been more than containers like the third party bags comic shops and collectors use.
I have no problem if some folks want to attach value to them but to attach them to the comic value is a bit off since they are not bound to the comic. Often neither are the loose items that were packaged with the comic that most of them held.
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rixmaxx Posts: 463
9/25/2016
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Oxbladder wrote:
As I said only the most anal will attach value or completeness to a poly bag. If you send a book to be graded they won't grade it unless you give them permission to open the bag. If you give it CGC will open it and chuck the bag and any non-comic contents. I think CBCS will send that stuff back.
If all comics came in poly bags you might be able to pull off the toy comparison but they don't and the poly bags have never been more than containers like the third party bags comic shops and collectors use.
I have no problem if some folks want to attach value to them but to attach them to the comic value is a bit off since they are not bound to the comic. Often neither are the loose items that were packaged with the comic that most of them held.
edited by Oxbladder on 9/25/2016
I agree, the bag means next to nothing to the condition of the book. You could have a comic book still sealed in a "mint" bag but could be totally destroyed inside (I've seen it) You have to open it.
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