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genuine_article_comics Posts: 44
7/20/2016
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I believe there should be a consensus within the comic book collecting community of what the money book should be regarding 1st appearances and cameos.
I know this is very difficult to do but the discrepancies are huge in what books command big(ger) money.
Hulk 180 vs. Hulk 181
X-men 266 vs. x-men annual 14
Jimmy Olsen 134 vs Forever People 1
......on and on and on.
How and why do some books seem to get it right in terms of correct value placement and others seemingly get it totally wrong?
Your thoughts please.....
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aarondawe Posts: 162
7/21/2016
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'We' don't get to determine which books are more valuable. The market does that. That's why I always get a chuckle out of those blogs with the 'what's hot' push for obscure 'hot' books. If it's easy to find and people aren't buying it, it's not going to go up in value.
If you want to change how people perceive these, then you will need to convince a large number of people to throw down more money for a copy of Incredible Hulk 180 (as an example), than they currently would for the same condition 181. Then people would see it as more valuable. Wishing won't make it so.
As an aside, my older Overstreet guides have 180 as more valuable than 181. I think this is evidence that people only wish to pay more for the first full issue of the character, even if it's not his true 'first' appearance.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
7/26/2016
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In the case of NYX #3 it is more or less a cameo. I can't remember exactly but I believe there are more than a few panel with Laura Kinney in them. I might put it more in a cameo camp but you will get no argument from me that it is her first appearance. I put a bit of a trick in my response with the X-23 #1 Dell'Otto in that it is not the next appearance of X-23 it is just a book that came much later that is worth way more than the first appearance ($850 for a NYX #3 and $1200 for an X-23 #1 Dell'Otto).
No argument again that SPJO #134 is the first Darseid, lame as it may be. Cameo for sure. However, there is also no mistaking that it realizes more than the first full appearance.
Honestly? I don't really care which is worth more I just believe we should be more clear which is a first appearance and which are not. Whether it is full or cameo I think that it should be "first appearance" with no designation of cameo or full. If the first appearance was a cameo then the first full appearance of that character should be "first full story with...". Splitting hairs for sure and I am sure you will still get some valued higher than other like TIH 181 and SPJO #134. That's fine. From a collector standpoint, when I collect a character I like to get the first appearance even if it was just a cameo (and that is getting popular again with Marvel almost always doing a teaser cameo in one issue and full story in the next) and if you go out and buy TIH 181 you are not getting the first appearance of Wolverine.
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robotcat Posts: 54
7/20/2016
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genuine_article_comics wrote:
I believe there should be a consensus within the comic book collecting community of what the money book should be regarding 1st appearances and cameos.
Money book?
Your statement is flawed. With your examples below, I take that you mean 1st appearance cameos and 1st full appearances.
genuine_article_comics wrote:
I know this is very difficult to do but the discrepancies are huge in what books command big(ger) money.
Hulk 180 vs. Hulk 181
X-men 266 vs. x-men annual 14
Jimmy Olsen 134 vs Forever People 1
First off, demand is always the key determinant in price.
In Hulk 180 Wolverine is only on 1 panel of the last page, so that's definitely a cameo.
There's a bigger difference with Gambit's 1st appearance cameo. He's not introduced, and he doesn't even have a line(pretty sure). He's just standing there. I think in only the one panel.(It doesn't even seem like it should qualify as a cameo). His 1AC has more to do with a quirk of the publication dates. The story #266 was obviously written and drawn before the annual, but it was published after. Because of this, there has been no great demand for the annual.
Darkseid is just a talking head on a TV screen in SPJO #134, so you'd think the values would be similar(in ratio) to that of Wolverine. (My copy of the latter is in much better condition than my copy of the former. So I'd be fine with that. #humblebrag) Supply could be the main factor. Forever People #1 probably had a much bigger print run than SPJO. Also, he's only on 4 pages of FP#1, so he's not the crux of the story, but I guess it's long enough to qualify for more than a cameo.
Also, Darkseid's 2nd appearance was in SPJO #135, which is a larger cameo than his first. I'm surprised its NM value is only $55. Must be lack of knowledge of this, that has kept the price where it is.
genuine_article_comics wrote:
How and why do some books seem to get it right in terms of correct value placement and others seemingly get it totally wrong?
Of which books do you speak? And how do you mean 'get it wrong'?
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