Taskmaster wrote:

This book took FOREVER to go up what is wrong with people???

He was the major villain in Civil War and the main antagonist in Falcon & Winter Soldier

What is going on with comic book people know adays??? $50 for a Avengers Book with First Photon but nothing until now with First Zemo?????

I really don't get how people gauge books because most time they are WRONG and the books that SHOULD go up because that character is in a tv show and or movie (multiple times) and nothing


#275 is his Cameo Appearance #276 first full appearance

Sounds like you're throwing a tantrum here. You really need to calm down and focus on the words that are written in this thread and quit getting so angry. Captain America is still Helmut Zemo's first appearance regardless of how much you keep whine about it.

This book took FOREVER to go up what is wrong with people???

He was the major villain in Civil War and the main antagonist in Falcon & Winter Soldier

What is going on with comic book people know adays??? $50 for a Avengers Book with First Photon but nothing until now with First Zemo?????

I really don't get how people gauge books because most time they are WRONG and the books that SHOULD go up because that character is in a tv show and or movie (multiple times) and nothing


#275 is his Cameo Appearance #276 first full appearance

Taskmaster wrote:

5Fiddy wrote:

rgtichy wrote:

Is the first appearance of Jason Todd noted as the first appearance of the Red Hood?!

Jason Todd debuted in Batman #357 (March 1983) and made his first full appearance in Detective Comics #525 (April 1983), but it wasn't until later that year when he would appear in costume as Robin in Batman #366 (Dec 1983) when he showed up towards the end of the story to help Batman fight the Joker. Red Hood appears in Batman #625, as a character whose identity is Jason Todd.

Right...as I mentioned previously, Captain America 168 is Helmut Zemo's first appearance. I never said it was Baron Zemo II's first appearance.

It was NEVER said that #168 was his first appearance but as BARON ZEMO is #275/#276

I thought made that clear I even drew you a picture and it still didn't click with you

I guess I'll have to draw a map next time...Oh well some people will never get it...

You really need to calm down. Helmut Zemo's 1st appearances is Captain America #168. I started it and you flipped out by insistenting Captain America 285 is Baron Zemo 2's 1st appearance. Yeah, no kidding it is but it doesn't make his actual 1st appearance less meaningful.

The one thing I get is you're upset that CA 285 wasn't getting the respect that you thought it should and I merely pointed out that CA 169 was Helmut Zemo's 1st appearance. But you can't seem to understand the difference between what I work and what you wrote.

No need to "draw a map" since you're already having difficulties with reading comprehension.

rustyauger wrote:

I just picked up some CPVs of these at the comic store
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Nice! That's a great price if that's what you paid.

I just picked up some CPVs of these at the comic store
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5Fiddy wrote:

rgtichy wrote:

Is the first appearance of Jason Todd noted as the first appearance of the Red Hood?!

Jason Todd debuted in Batman #357 (March 1983) and made his first full appearance in Detective Comics #525 (April 1983), but it wasn't until later that year when he would appear in costume as Robin in Batman #366 (Dec 1983) when he showed up towards the end of the story to help Batman fight the Joker. Red Hood appears in Batman #625, as a character whose identity is Jason Todd.

Right...as I mentioned previously, Captain America 168 is Helmut Zemo's first appearance. I never said it was Baron Zemo II's first appearance.

It was NEVER said that #168 was his first appearance but as BARON ZEMO is #275/#276

I thought made that clear I even drew you a picture and it still didn't click with you

I guess I'll have to draw a map next time...Oh well some people will never get it...

rgtichy wrote:

Is the first appearance of Jason Todd noted as the first appearance of the Red Hood?!

Jason Todd debuted in Batman #357 (March 1983) and made his first full appearance in Detective Comics #525 (April 1983), but it wasn't until later that year when he would appear in costume as Robin in Batman #366 (Dec 1983) when he showed up towards the end of the story to help Batman fight the Joker. Red Hood appears in Batman #625, as a character whose identity is Jason Todd.

Right...as I mentioned previously, Captain America 168 is Helmut Zemo's first appearance. I never said it was Baron Zemo II's first appearance.

Is the first appearance of Jason Todd noted as the first appearance of the Red Hood?!

Jason Todd debuted in Batman #357 (March 1983) and made his first full appearance in Detective Comics #525 (April 1983), but it wasn't until later that year when he would appear in costume as Robin in Batman #366 (Dec 1983) when he showed up towards the end of the story to help Batman fight the Joker. Red Hood appears in Batman #625, as a character whose identity is Jason Todd.

@5fiddy - Think of it this way then, while 168 was the first appearance of the character, 275/276 are key issues because that is when he became the superhero / supervillain that we are currently familiar with.
It's almost like he was reborn. That makes those pretty major keys in my opinion.

I see can see it both ways.
Captain America 168 was the first appearance of the character.
Captain America 275/276 was the first time the character adopted this persona / wore the purple (pink?) mask.
It gets a little confusing because Baron Zemo is his name, but it's also the name of a persona (like Captain America) because of the costume.

I don't know. I think in this case, I personally care more about when the character becomes the character I'm familiar with than when he showed up as something else.

5Fiddy wrote:

Taskmaster wrote:

5Fiddy wrote:

Helmut Zemo first appeared in Captain America #168.

NOT as Baron Zemo as Phoenix OK?

It's still Helmut Zemo's first appearance regardless of which costume he puts on.
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#275 & #276 are him as BARON ZEMO II Okay? It's on the internet maybe I should show you it
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5Fiddy wrote:

Taskmaster wrote:

5Fiddy wrote:

Helmut Zemo first appeared in Captain America #168.

NOT as Baron Zemo as Phoenix OK?

It's still Helmut Zemo's first appearance regardless of which costume he puts on.
edited by 5fiddy on 3/27/2021

#275 & #276 are him as BARON ZEMO II Okay? It's on the internet maybe I should show you it
edited by Taskmaster on 4/3/2021

I see can see it both ways.
Captain America 168 was the first appearance of the character.
Captain America 275/276 was the first time the character adopted this persona / wore the purple (pink?) mask.
It gets a little confusing because Baron Zemo is his name, but it's also the name of a persona (like Captain America) because of the costume.

I don't know. I think in this case, I personally care more about when the character becomes the character I'm familiar with than when he showed up as something else.

Taskmaster wrote:

5Fiddy wrote:

Helmut Zemo first appeared in Captain America #168.

NOT as Baron Zemo as Phoenix OK?

It's still Helmut Zemo's first appearance regardless of which costume he puts on.
edited by 5fiddy on 3/27/2021

5Fiddy wrote:

Helmut Zemo first appeared in Captain America #168.

NOT as Baron Zemo as Phoenix OK?

Helmut Zemo first appeared in Captain America #168.

I just picked up a beat up copy of Avengers #6 today. First full appearance.

You know, I bet most people don't really remember there even was a villain in civil war. The civil war between Tony & Steve was over loyalty to the Winter Soldier and acceptance/denial of government guidance (oversight) over superheroes, which turned out to be Hydra oversight of superheroes.

Zemo wasn't a bad villain, but he was the third villain in the movie.