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Theoldcollector Posts: 213
3/7/2021
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It's crazy to me that CGC 9.8 go for twice if not more for 9.8 compared to a 9.6. For instance ASM 362 is averaging around $110 for a 9.8 and $60 for a 9.6 or was until the recent uptick in the Carnage issues. Do you all think that graded 9.6 books will start to close the gap on 9.8 books, or is it always going to be this way? I mean for a raw copy you are normally never going to see that kind of jump in price for ".2" of a grade level. It just blows me away when I see it for CGCs. I have paid extra for autograph 9.8's but I can't seem to pay that much more for a qualified one when I could have a 9.6 and be able to buy 2 for the price of one 9.8 lol. It would be nice to see the gap between the two close up some in price.
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Xvipah73 Posts: 357
3/8/2021
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I think people see a huge difference from a NM/M and a NM+. Just the description of what they are, alone, makes a 9.8 far more desirable:
9.8 - A nearly perfect collectible with negligible handling or manufacturing defects.
9.6 - A very well-preserved collectible with several minor manufacturing or handling defects.
Basically no defects v small defects.
I also think it's ridiculous, btw, but I don't think it's going anywhere.
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glorkar Posts: 689
3/8/2021
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I'd love to see the gap close on more books too.
I also can't justify 9.8 prices. I've only got two graded books and both are 9.6. I'm more than happy with them. I guess the lower price /should/ make them easier to get rid of if I ever let them go. So there's that.
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rgtichy Posts: 124
3/8/2021
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Well, as someone who worked in a comics shop for 5 years or so, I would hope I have some 9.8 material, but I have mentally made some plans to get some stuff graded out of my collection and yet not done it, either.
It would be reassuring to actually see what a 9.8 looks like, from one's one collection.
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Theoldcollector Posts: 213
3/8/2021
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I'm slowly just now getting my comic collection organized and logged in. I have a small group of comics that I am setting aside to be graded but I figured I'll wait until I finish going through everything and put it off even longer lol.
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Xvipah73 Posts: 357
3/8/2021
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rgtichy wrote:
Well, as someone who worked in a comics shop for 5 years or so, I would hope I have some 9.8 material, but I have mentally made some plans to get some stuff graded out of my collection and yet not done it, either.
It would be reassuring to actually see what a 9.8 looks like, from one's one collection.
I sent in a bunch of stuff a few months ago. Some of it was disappointing (but my own fault because I sent them in before I took some time to learn grading, etc...). Out of 10 books I've gotten back so far I got 2 9.8's, a 9.6, and a 9.4. Also some random 9's/9.2's and upper mid-grades, and a 3.0 that shocked me until I saw the comic again and realized it definitely was my own fault for not knowing what I was looking at before I spent the money.
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Theoldcollector Posts: 213
3/9/2021
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That's kind of what I'm afraid of to. I am afraid some of them will grade lower than expected and that would ruin my day. It didn't help that I watched the CGC videos on how they grade and was actually a bit taken back by their method grading the books. I would love to see a video showing them grade a 9.8 and a 9.6 of the same comic to see the difference.
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Xvipah73 Posts: 357
3/10/2021
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Theoldcollector wrote:
That's kind of what I'm afraid of to. I am afraid some of them will grade lower than expected and that would ruin my day. It didn't help that I watched the CGC videos on how they grade and was actually a bit taken back by their method grading the books. I would love to see a video showing them grade a 9.8 and a 9.6 of the same comic to see the difference.
It's definitely a bit of a gamble. But if you know how to grade even a little bit it's worthwhile to do as long as you can tell which issues should go in and which shouldn't. Obviously, the older it gets the less of a high grade it needs - in general - to be worth the time and money.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
3/24/2021
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If you have confidence in your grading skills and have had experience with graded 9.8 and lower you can usually find them or 9.6 down to 8.5 that could be candidates for a pressing into a 9.8. If you have any sort of grading experience it's not so much of a crap shoot.
BTW the price between 9.0-9.4 and 9.6+ is pretty silly but that's one of many practices that make no sense. That's collecting for you.
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Theoldcollector Posts: 213
3/24/2021
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Xvipah73 wrote:
I think people see a huge difference from a NM/M and a
NM+. Just the description of what they are, alone, makes a 9.8 far more
desirable:
9.8 - A nearly perfect collectible with negligible handling or manufacturing defects.
9.6 - A very well-preserved collectible with several minor manufacturing or handling defects.
Basically no defects v small defects.
I also think it's ridiculous, btw, but I don't think it's going anywhere.
I think CGC needs to remove the word "Several" from the 9.6 scale lol. I have some 9.6 books that look perfect without a defect to be seen. I wasn't the one who sent them in so there is no telling on why they are a 9.6 but when held up to a 9.8 there is no obvious difference in them, defiantly not a double the price difference lol. What is a 9.6 to CGC one day can be a 9.8 another day. Because the grading can be subjective I think the jump in price between a 9.6 to a 9.8 is just crazy. But don't get me wrong I love to see that 9.8 in the top left corner lol.
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rgtichy Posts: 124
3/24/2021
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The part I find most interesting is that for each comic, the "first one" they grade has essentially no color reference to compare against, so fading and press inconsistencies in the color are "unknown"?. Unless CGC has a "library" of books to reference in person even if they aren't NM+?
Checking corners and spines and looking for evidence of trimming seems easier than assessing the color quality; blemishes are the easiest part, imo.
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rustyauger Posts: 159
3/25/2021
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With prices rising on the 9.8s I have been buying 9.6s of keys that I can still afford. I bought a Daredevil 168 CGC 9.6 about 8 months ago for $400. Now they are selling for around $900.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
3/25/2021
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Theoldcollector wrote:
Xvipah73 wrote:
I think people see a huge difference from a NM/M and a
NM+. Just the description of what they are, alone, makes a 9.8 far more
desirable:
9.8 - A nearly perfect collectible with negligible handling or manufacturing defects.
9.6 - A very well-preserved collectible with several minor manufacturing or handling defects.
Basically no defects v small defects.
I also think it's ridiculous, btw, but I don't think it's going anywhere.
I think CGC needs to remove the word "Several" from the 9.6 scale lol. I have some 9.6 books that look perfect without a defect to be seen. I wasn't the one who sent them in so there is no telling on why they are a 9.6 but when held up to a 9.8 there is no obvious difference in them, defiantly not a double the price difference lol. What is a 9.6 to CGC one day can be a 9.8 another day. Because the grading can be subjective I think the jump in price between a 9.6 to a 9.8 is just crazy. But don't get me wrong I love to see that 9.8 in the top left corner lol.
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They should just change several to a few. Generally a 9.8 is only going to have one or two defects and a 9.6 maybe four. The thing is that having seven grading levels once you hit 9.0 is way over the top. There is virtually no difference between a 9.6-9.9. Don't even get me started on value added exceptions like signatures or pay copies. What makes it even worse is that one would be very hard pressed to get any collector on the buying side of things to believe that the very same book out of a slab is over a 9.2 even though they can see it is and they know it but they don't usually want to pay that sort of price for it. At least one can get those grades from CGC and CBCS even if it can be a bit of a crap shoot that you will get a 9.6 to 9.9.
IMHO though when your grading scale is both anal but you allow exceptions and qualified grades your grading scale is pretty much compromised.
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rgtichy Posts: 124
3/25/2021
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IMHO though when your grading scale is both anal but you allow exceptions and qualified grades your grading scale is pretty much compromised.
Yup.
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Theoldcollector Posts: 213
3/25/2021
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I agree
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Al Cohol Posts: 4
5/9/2021
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This is the nature of the beast. My current on going experience with auctioning a rare comic graded 9.6 going for 1/3 the price of the exact same copy that's graded 9.8. 1/3. Not much I can do with any part of making a difference in the market wether buying or selling. Those 2 points are subjected to the lack of gem mint 10s or 9.9s currently available, or anything in-between. For such a microscopic assessment there isn't broad enough scale to assess the value differences under the microscope. To broad a spectrum in two Points I say. I really don't know much about it so I'm not speaking from a professional stand point. I do see this though 2 points is enormous. Do my think I've even seen a 10 grade.
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