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Konungrcomics Posts: 62
11/12/2020
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Hello all, so I was looking into having one of my titles restored buy CGC prior to grading. My question is if the title is restored and not in its original state will that decrease its current value. Looking forward to my fellow members wisdom. Please let me know what you think,
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glorkar Posts: 689
11/12/2020
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I feel that it's relative to the collector. Some people would rather have an original condition book, while others want one that looks great.
Personally, I don't buy enough graded books to say which I would lean towards.
A restored 8 vs a natural 8 will lose every time. A restored 8 vs a natural 5? The restored might get more interest.
Out of curiosity, what book are you thinking about getting restored?
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collectibleshop Posts: 3088
11/12/2020
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yes, it will decrease the value, usually by quite a lot, depending on the amount of resto. It will get a purple label with notes on it about the resto, popularly known as a 'PLOD' or 'Purple Label of Death', if that tells you anything. there's LOTS of info about restored comics value on the net, many examples to go by on that auction site and closed auctions from other big auction houses. the CGC forums have all kinds of threads on this subject too.
https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/forum/27-comic-book-grading-and-restoration-issues/ is a main forum for that stuff, but mostly about grading criteria and restoration technique more than value questions, but if you search like 'value of restored comics' etc. you'll find lots of threads and opinions. try searching for your exact comic too.
It's up to the buyers if they'd rather have an unrestored, but worse looking copy, or a nicer eye appeal one that has resto, so depending on what the comic is (rarity/value) and how low the raw grade is, it might not be worth paying for restoration, unless you're doing it for yourself because you can't afford a better copy, but can afford the resto, which can run some $. if you can find restored ones of yours online, that should tell you something too.
so search and read up, the info, like the truth, is out there.
glorkar posted while I was writing, so like he said, a restored 8 that was a raw 5 will attract people, but it will likely sell at the raw 5 price or less, so you have to decide if spending the resto $ will be worth it if you're going to sell it.
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Konungrcomics Posts: 62
11/12/2020
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glorkar wrote:
I feel that it's relative to the collector. Some people would rather have an original condition book, while others want one that looks great.
Personally, I don't buy enough graded books to say which I would lean towards.
A restored 8 vs a natural 8 will lose every time. A restored 8 vs a natural 5? The restored might get more interest.
Out of curiosity, what book are you thinking about getting restored?
edited by glorkar on 11/12/2020
Thanks for the info, I just bought a Spider-man #86 from a flee Market and its solid, its just that the white on the cover is a bit dirty from wear though the years, and of course it wasn't bagged or boarded.
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Konungrcomics Posts: 62
11/12/2020
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collectibleshop wrote:
yes, it will decrease the value, usually by quite a lot, depending on the amount of resto. It will get a purple label with notes on it about the resto, popularly known as a 'PLOD' or 'Purple Label of Death', if that tells you anything. there's LOTS of info about restored comics value on the net, many examples to go by on that auction site and closed auctions from other big auction houses. the CGC forums have all kinds of threads on this subject too.
https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/forum/27-comic-book-grading-and-restoration-issues/ is a main forum for that stuff, but mostly about grading criteria and restoration technique more than value questions, but if you search like 'value of restored comics' etc. you'll find lots of threads and opinions. try searching for your exact comic too.
It's up to the buyers if they'd rather have an unrestored, but worse looking copy, or a nicer eye appeal one that has resto, so depending on what the comic is (rarity/value) and how low the raw grade is, it might not be worth paying for restoration, unless you're doing it for yourself because you can't afford a better copy, but can afford the resto, which can run some $. if you can find restored ones of yours online, that should tell you something too.
so search and read up, the info, like the truth, is out there.
glorkar posted while I was writing, so like he said, a restored 8 that was a raw 5 will attract people, but it will likely sell at the raw 5 price or less, so you have to decide if spending the resto $ will be worth it if you're going to sell it.
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Thanks a ton you have made my mind up for me, great info, and thanks again!
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collectibleshop Posts: 3088
11/12/2020
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Thanks a ton you have made my mind up for me, great info, and thanks again!
if you haven't seen it, this CGC page has their restoration grading scale, might be helpful in the future, but it gives no value clues:
https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/4084/
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Konungrcomics Posts: 62
11/12/2020
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collectibleshop wrote:
Thanks a ton you have made my mind up for me, great info, and thanks again!
if you haven't seen it, this CGC page has their restoration grading scale, might be helpful in the future, but it gives no value clues:
https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/4084/
Right on the grading scale page is very informative thanks.
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glorkar Posts: 689
11/12/2020
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If the dirt is your major concern, CGC also offers pressing. From my understanding, it's basically dry-cleaning for comics (though a much, much more complicated process!)
That might be the better option for you.
https://www.cgccomics.com/ccs-pressing/
And from their FAQ:
"CGC does not consider pressing to be restoration. Read more on the CGC website. CGC also does not consider dry cleaning to be restoration, which we automatically include in our pressing service when necessary. Dry cleaning’s main purpose is to remove soiling or unwanted substance or writing from a cover, particularly in the white areas. Dry cleaning does not remove tanning, stains, pen or marker, sun shadows or foxing. If we feel your book’s grade would benefit from a dry cleaning, we will automatically perform this during the press process."
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collectibleshop Posts: 3088
11/12/2020
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yeah, Spidey 86 is not worth getting 'restored', but if it's just a dry cleaning that it needs, that might be worth it using CGC's press and clean, but you can check with them on prices and see if it's worth even that. be aware that the pressing process adds MONTHS to the grading time, so hope you're not in a hurry, if you go that way.
Now, you can buy a dry cleaning pad and try rubbing off as much dirt as you can, being very careful to go slow and not rub thru color. art supply stores carry them, and some comic supplies places carry them. There's various kinds these days, some may work better than the 2 I bought eons ago. Have used only 1 to any degree, and it's done ok with cleaning off most dirt and color rub-off from other comics when they were new and shipped or stored all stacked together, but I have messed up a couple books a little off by rubbing original color off trying to get rid of a grease pencil initial. know to quit when you're ahead, and practice on cheap ones you don't care about so much.
I don't think it affected the grades anyway, but I had dry cleaned white back covers of some Giant Size Spidey comics years ago to reduce the 'dirt'/rub-off-from-other-comics stuff near the spine and margins, sent them to CGC, and they didn't note any resto (back then they had not said if dry cleaning was considered resto), and they got blue label 9.4 and 9.6s as expected. They weren't white/clean like new, but definitely better than what they were before. They may still have gotten the same grades anyway, but eye appeal was better.
so up to you how much you want to mess with making it look nicer. have fun..
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Ronbatman Administrator Posts: 2530
11/13/2020
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So this is a little known service for us but we press books and do minor cleaning. We charge $10 per book with a two week lead time right now. There are other considerations but that's the general sales pitch. Ideally, people drop them off at our office so that we can talk about the issues and expectations.
It's amazing how a book can change. The best candidates are issues that have wrinkles that don't break color or that have a spine roll. We've seen some dramatic changes.
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Konungrcomics Posts: 62
11/13/2020
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Ronbatman wrote:
So this is a little known service for us but we press books and do minor cleaning. We charge $10 per book with a two week lead time right now. There are other considerations but that's the general sales pitch. Ideally, people drop them off at our office so that we can talk about the issues and expectations.
It's amazing how a book can change. The best candidates are issues that have wrinkles that don't break color or that have a spine roll. We've seen some dramatic changes.
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Awesome info Ron, do you work for CBPG or CGC?
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Comicgarage Posts: 13
11/13/2020
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Ronbatman wrote:
So this is a little known service for us but we press books and do minor cleaning. We charge $10 per book with a two week lead time right now. There are other considerations but that's the general sales pitch. Ideally, people drop them off at our office so that we can talk about the issues and expectations.
It's amazing how a book can change. The best candidates are issues that have wrinkles that don't break color or that have a spine roll. We've seen some dramatic changes.
R
I have a few mid-grade golden age books (no keys, just for the PC) I am looking to get pressed/ cleaned, do you take mail (no in person) submissions ?
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Ronbatman Administrator Posts: 2530
11/13/2020
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I work for Comics Price Guide. If anyone would like to talk about our pressing with us. You can call our offices on Monday or send me an email.
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BasementComics Posts: 784
11/13/2020
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Ronbatman wrote:
I work for Comics Price Guide. If anyone would like to talk about our pressing with us. You can call our offices on Monday or send me an email.
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collectibleshop Posts: 3088
11/23/2020
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CGC has a new youtube video on restoration checking now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn4SYj7URWU
It's very general like their first one, since the book they used didn't have much resto. They use all kinds of other techniques to find the tougher types of resto (surprisingly no mention of using blacklights for finding color touch, but that's pretty standard procedure). I posted it in the Grading forum too.
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