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3/12/2018
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I tried everything with respect to the logging issues nothing work so I just gave up. Perhaps if I logged out of the main site, mind you on the computers I wasn't logged into any part of the site there the problem persists. Meh. I just have to think and type fast I guess.
Second guessing ... well it has worked on occasion in the past (Miller's DD, Secret Wars, Crisis, Dark Phoenix, Watchmen) can't move on if you can't break some eggs and molds in the process. I really think that if creative team or teams wants to try something new then they should feel free to try it. IMHO the diversity thing wasn't necessarily a bad idea but they made some bad decisions in the roll out:
1- They announced it
2- They forced it all at once
IMHO some of those changes introduced some good characters. Riri in Invincible was well done and it's not like she wasn't around already. Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur was/is brilliant and probably the first book in a long time from the big two that is truly all ages.
I have already mentioned that Marvel handled the whole blow-back and other PR in the intervening period just absolutely brutally. However, forcing the change also was not a total loss. They did get more diversity and they introduced some new good characters and strengthened others (such as X-23).
As for Marvel just focusing on the individual characters ... I am all for it. they have too many events. However, DC need to do the same. Both companies supposedly want strong titles across the board but they really do nothing to achieve that goal, and haven't for a long time. Books like Supergirl, most Robin titles, Batgirl, Captain Marvel, All-New Wolverine, etc generally get creators that are unfamiliar to most people. Even if these creators do a good job they get zero promotion because Marvel and DC still just throw the majority of their money at the books and characters that already do sell. Sure they might push the first issue of Batgirl or All-New Wolverine but they do nothing beyond that. Even traditionally lower sellers like solo female heroes such as Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel have gotten very little push compared your Batmans, Supermans and Avengers. Look at what happened with Cap, IM, and Avengers. Those "flagship" titles were weak sellers for ages. they tried everything to get them to work. Finally they put some big names on them and slowly but surely they climbed out of the mire and are now back up in the stats.
Both Marvel and DC have to start paying less attention to the bean counters. I doubt Marvel and DC have much of a handle on what the real number of readers are on their titles since DC produces two covers of almost every major title and Marvel is always varianting covers every issue or two. Much ado was made about the New 52 WW and the numbers looked good but what were they really? DC doesn't know because again there were two covers for each issue. Fudging the numbers with variants and reboots is very weak way to get your numbers up. If DC and Marvel want strong titles across the board then they are going to have to actually put some work into it.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
3/12/2018
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Fork in hell. I was booted out again.
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prof2780 Posts: 49
4/1/2018
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I am sick of Marvel starting over, it is foolish and idiotic. My pull list includes few Marvel comics any longer. There is no continuity and I find it frustrating. I still get X-Men Gold, Spider-Man and Deadpool titles and that is it. I don't even like most of the artwork now, maybe if they stopped starting over and invested more money getting better artists? Most Marvel titles are just disappointing now. I buy more back issues to fill holes in my collection now than new issues.
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prof2780 Posts: 49
4/1/2018
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rsantos wrote:
DC gets most of my money these days. The only Marvel title I read is Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows. I enjoy it because it actually feels like I'm reading about the Spider-Man I once knew and it's a progression, not a step backwards. Reboots have made Marvel into some schizophrenic company. What exactly was the purpose of "Legacy" now that "Fresh Start" is going to happen? What was the purpose of "All-New, All Different", "Generations", and "Marvel NOW"? Investing my time and money into something that isn't going to be around for more than a year or two is exhausting.
edited by rsantos on 3/12/2018
I agree, Spider-Man Renew your Vows is my favorite, mainly because Peter finally catches a break, and his personal life is not always in crisis and falling apart. It has action and humor, plus the little girl is awesome.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
4/3/2018
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And yet DC is rebooting a few titles and starting to deluge the collector with a whole flurry of #1s starting June. lol. In case nobody noticed they are also on a big diversity kick. The only difference is that Marvel was in your face and unrepentant DC just quietly follows suit.
This how comics at the big two are now folks. Either you like it or don't but don't think that DC and Marvel are any different ... and for cripes sake don't assume that because you don't like what they are doing that all modern books suck. Actually try reading some of the multitude of other offerings out there. (and not just Image and Dark Horse)
Collectors don't like change and every decade some don't like the changes they make but they have to do it or they risk fading away (which may happen anyway)
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rperryx2000 Posts: 166
4/24/2018
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I was originally irritated that "Fresh Start" was getting rid of the legacy numbering. But at this point I don't really care. Even my all-time favorite title (Amazing Spider-Man) has been rebooted multiple times and the legacy numbering at this point seems kind of meaning less. Same goes for some of the other titles on my pull list like Venom, Captain America, and the Mighty Thor. At this point, given the consistent writing and art in these titles, I'm going to keep buying them regardless of the number on the cover. Of course this may change if I don't like the new creative teams on the next volume of these books (except for Amazing Spider-Man).
On a side note it does make it harder to remember in which specific issue and volume something happened versus just remembering one specific legacy number.
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Oxbladder Posts: 487
4/27/2018
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I agree rperryx. Most of what I have been reading has been consistent so these changes bother me little. Legacy numbering or not. Lots of people forget that it was basically in response to customer claims of not jumping onto long running series that all this rebooting started in the first place.
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Mrfortenberry Posts: 1
11/2/2018
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kds_comics wrote:
Starting at numbers ones? Again? Anyone keeping score? Does this make four or five times in ten years? More? You have to be kidding me. Maybe they could write some decent stories with decent art - yeah - quality -yeah - that might do it!!!
I have to agree the art I have seen recently is very bland compared to what I had come to expect years ago. Take the current Daredevil series covers. Bleech....
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Carnage0707 Posts: 1
11/26/2018
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Marvel constantly makes number ones because they sell better and it can't be any worse than all new all different lol
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