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jhenline4
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 Posted - 09/21/2005 : 6:21:09 PM
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Am I the only one disappointed in New Avengers #10?
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GL-IronMan2534
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Posted - 09/21/2005 : 6:57:20 PM
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I dont like the Sentry, and Im planning on dropping this title after just reading 3 issues reason being is becuase the story is to slow and the focus is on the Sentry a character that I think is awful, the art is the one thing that I like and also because it has Iron Man.
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cagliostro
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981 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 7:10:26 PM
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I am still trying to figure out what his power is? Another Reality altering person like..... Scarlet witch? What are they setting up for again, avengers re-disasembled?
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Basquiat
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Posted - 09/21/2005 : 8:29:58 PM
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The Sentry will kill that book quicker than letting Left Field have something to do with it.
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Mravalanche
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1461 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 8:49:13 PM
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Just chiming in for the other side. I have really enjoyed the book and especially the Sentry storyline :) I've even started digging for Sentry back issues and am picking up his new series.
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Rome
A True Collector
USA
1184 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 8:53:47 PM
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Ummm... I was really into it... before it started.
Now I'm plain bored.
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Spider Ranger
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 09:50:52 AM
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Guess I am in the minority here, but I actually liked the story arc with the Sentry. I am looking forward to the next arc with Ronin in it, so we can finally find out who the heck he is.
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jhenline4
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 6:11:43 PM
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I liked the arc, just felt like there should have been more to it. Anyone who is dropping it want to send me issues #2-6 :-P
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JJDe86
Journeyman
USA
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 10:19:52 PM
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I liked the arc. As for thinking it needed more, I suppose I was ready for that feeling due to the fact that The Sentry is having his own mini-series coming up. Even so, this is probably my favorite title I'm getting right now and I can't wait for the next few arcs coming.
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sargon
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USA
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 10:52:28 PM
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I really wish the story was moving faster. It's not that it's bad per se, but it's taking so long to get the pay off that I'm not sure I want to wait that long.
Maybe it's my age, but at least when there were long running sub-plots in the past, other events took place to move the story along where there seems to be little of that here (the Korvac Saga comes to mind as an example of a slow developing "event" but one that had other things going on at the same time).
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shizzsosa
A True Collector
USA
679 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2005 : 08:25:09 AM
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| I though i liked the concept of the sentry, but now i feel indifferent. what can he really do? i can kinda see how being slightly out of phase in the temporal continuity can some how allow him to affect reality (barely see). but what does being slightly out of phase in the temporal continuity have to do with light based powers? i can see how light based powers can allow you to make monsters that are just light based constructs. but why the mentals powers as well? it doesn't add up to a well balanced character to me. i hope they clean it up. and i don't think we've heard the last of the void. can we say onslaught (mental powers allowing evil thoughts to manifest as a sentient villian). done already. |
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kingofrulers
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Posted - 09/23/2005 : 09:08:41 AM
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I like the book...but I'm kinda bored with it. Here is my reading it:
"blah blah blah--something about a comic--blah blah blah blah blah--exploding suns--blah blah blah blah blah--something about the Hellfire Club, I dunno I wasn't paying attention--blah blah blah, annnnnd now I'm bored".
When are the Avengers going to actually do something? We're on issue #10 and they've done some stuff but they seem to be largely confused. The original Avengers were already kickin' a$$ against opponents by issue 5! What's the hold up here? Aren't there still a bunch of criminals on the loose? Why are they stuck on trying to bother this crack-pot? The Sentry seems like such a boring character. All they did was make another super powerful character, except this time he is crazy. Sort of like a goody-good Thanos, except not as cool.
Also, in issue #10 there was one from where Cyclops looked like he was about 60 years old! lol I thought it looked so funny.
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Posted - 09/24/2005 : 11:19:01 PM
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Kickin a$$ by issue #5 in 1960's comics is like kickin' a$$ by issue #30 in today's comics. Everything must be a decompressed 6 issue story arc. I hate it. Let's get these stories told and come up with the next idea. If the fans love the story, then go back and give some more details another time.
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tristang
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USA
502 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2005 : 1:03:44 PM
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Let me clear up the confusion:
The Sentry is pretty much Superman just add Psychic powers. Mastermind was paid by persons unknown to make him think that whenever he used his superpowers, a being called The Void would destroy the world. To save the world, he made everyone in the world forget who he was. However, he had the foresight to let his story live on, through Jenkins and his comic books. He had himself thrown in prison to live the rest of the days. Breakout happened, and the rest is history. Emma Frost was able to undo what Mastermind did, although she still made it so the rest of the world had never heard of Sentry so he could come in fresh.
Unless I am missing something, Sentry will now be pretty much the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe. He's now Superman, more or less. Perhaps no x-ray vision, but he has the superstrength, flight, invuln. (I think) and Psychic powers.
I thought it was an amazing storyline, great writing, and has HUGE implications on the future of the Marvel universe. It was an actual STORY. A comic book can have a good story without action. It was a brilliant setup and execution to bring a brand new person into the universe.
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Scarlettspiderg
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Posted - 09/26/2005 : 1:55:04 PM
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B-o-r-i-n-g
The Sentry arc could have (and should have been) 2 issues, 3 max. Even better - it should have been told in The Sentry Limited Series, So far Bendis has done plenty of "setup" with little followup. Stories can be told whilst things happen, and believe it or not comic fans can follow more than plot.
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tristang
A True Collector
USA
502 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2005 : 2:03:03 PM
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But let's not act like 10 year olds thinking that every comic book has to reenact a Michael Bay film. Straight stories are good comics too. I thought that ALOT happened in issue #10. Think about it. In DC's terms, Superman did a Captain America and came back after being gone for 40-50 years. That's huge. The implications for the Marvel Universe alone is the biggest in 2 decades. Noone seems to grasp this. People keep saying that nothing happened in this arc.
More happened in this arc than you think. It just wasn't in "action" form.
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cagliostro
A True Collector
USA
981 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2005 : 2:18:49 PM
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Someone clear this up for me. Was the sentry actually an old marvel character or are they making all of that up to give this arc more of a feel. I have not been able to figure that out.
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Jay
A True Collector
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2005 : 3:35:01 PM
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That was an april fools joke by Marvel, he is about 5 years old real time.
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cagliostro
A True Collector
USA
981 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2005 : 3:47:50 PM
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Thanks, I was unsure if he was a charcter for in the 40s, early 50s that they had drug back out of retirement.
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Scarlettspiderg
A True Collector
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/26/2005 : 4:40:39 PM
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Originally posted by tristang
But let's not act like 10 year olds thinking that every comic book has to reenact a Michael Bay film. Straight stories are good comics too. I thought that ALOT happened in issue #10. Think about it. In DC's terms, Superman did a Captain America and came back after being gone for 40-50 years. That's huge. The implications for the Marvel Universe alone is the biggest in 2 decades. Noone seems to grasp this. People keep saying that nothing happened in this arc.
More happened in this arc than you think. It just wasn't in "action" form.
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Bigger than in 2 decades? Bigger than Mutant Massacre? Fatal Attractions? Onslaught? Or even...House Of M?
And it took a story arc ( 4 issues) to bring back the character, not one like with Captain America. And no, not alot happened in issue 10. In issue 1, Sentry was re-introduced. Issue 7-8 we find out Sentry is not what he seemed, Issue 9 we find out Mastermind did something to his mojo and then in issue 10 all this is recapped by Emma Frost, before a "hey your fixed now" moment.
Its taken Bendis 10 issues to assemble his team, with no major threats. The Breakout's were taken care of in a panel or two (Iron Man talking them out of breaking out, then capturing Electro without help???), the Savage Land threat was really funny (Sauron being pops up as the mastermind and is then taken down by bullets), hopefully BMB is going somewhere with the SHIELD threat.
Sorry if that sounds stupid, but 4 issues for what could be 2 is just silly to me.
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tristang
A True Collector
USA
502 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2005 : 7:16:10 PM
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Yes, bigger than in 2 decades. Imagine when Superman died, if they waited until now to bring him back. It's that big. Just because in comic lore he is relatively unkown, doesn't mean this isn't a big change. Marvel....is.....bringing....in....a....Superman/Green Lantern/Martian Manhunter ALL ROLLED INTO 1!!!!
Do you not think this is huge? If this was some new idea solo book, it would tank hard. But it's the Avengers. Whether you like the breakup and reformation or not, it's the Avengers. And they have a Superman now. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's HUGE.
As for the other point, sure I wish there were more pages in a comic so we could have the story in 5 instead of 10. Who doesn't? But that doesn't change the magnitude of what has happened here.
Plus, the more backstory the better in my opinion
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GL-IronMan2534
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Posted - 09/26/2005 : 9:57:21 PM
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I agree w/you Scarlettspiderg this arc was B-O-R-I-N-G!!! And ill say this agin the Sentry to me seem to be IMO a ultra lame character and I cant see why Marvel made him so damn powerful  .
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cagliostro
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USA
981 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2005 : 10:20:26 PM
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Yes, bigger than in 2 decades. Imagine when Superman died, if they waited until now to bring him back. It's that big. Just because in comic lore he is relatively unkown, doesn't mean this isn't a big change. Marvel....is.....bringing....in....a....Superman/Green Lantern/Martian Manhunter ALL ROLLED INTO 1!!!!
Not the first of these by a long shot. Try the Beyonder or Molecule Man as two examples. Both are more powerfull than superman will ever be. THey usually intorduce these things in ten year cycles thinking about it. Captain marvel fit the bill for a while (along with an DC vs. Marvel soap opera on the side).
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Scarlettspiderg
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 01:49:40 AM
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Originally posted by tristang
Yes, bigger than in 2 decades. Imagine when Superman died, if they waited until now to bring him back. It's that big. Just because in comic lore he is relatively unkown, doesn't mean this isn't a big change. Marvel....is.....bringing....in....a....Superman/Green Lantern/Martian Manhunter ALL ROLLED INTO 1!!!!
Do you not think this is huge? If this was some new idea solo book, it would tank hard. But it's the Avengers. Whether you like the breakup and reformation or not, it's the Avengers. And they have a Superman now. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's HUGE.
As for the other point, sure I wish there were more pages in a comic so we could have the story in 5 instead of 10. Who doesn't? But that doesn't change the magnitude of what has happened here.
Plus, the more backstory the better in my opinion
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Why is it huge? Just because someone says it huge doesnt make it so. I don't see anything spectacular about this event, Marvel have created Superman clones in the past (Hyperion, Gladitor) and killed off/brought back characters before (Colossus, Psylocke).
I havent said I did'nt like the reformation, yes it annoyed me at first but I gave it a chance and BMB seemed to have some good ideas, but 10 issues in and so far the pay off has been small.
And I never said I wanted more pages in a comic, I said I wanted more story. BMB decompresses the storyline way too much (which may be Marvels fault due to the TPB process). The current Sentry arc could have fit into 2 issues - and by that I mean the story was 2 issues long streched into 4.
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tristang
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 06:16:04 AM
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Yes, Marvel has brought in Supes clones before. But my point is, this time it's a cornerstone of the Avengers, on a book that is already billed for 500 issues (arguably). That's the difference this time. He comes in on a book that has been in the Top 10 best sellers for every single issue. That's the difference this time.
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cagliostro
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 08:07:27 AM
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I have real questions that this guy is a superman type even. Supes is not known for his mind control abilities and manifistations external to himself. Both of which the sentry has done (Mind wipe the population and create the void) which brings me back to an original questions, what are his powers?
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tristang
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502 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2005 : 09:06:11 AM
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sentry#Powers_and_abilities
The Sentry's powers are derived from a serum which causes his molecules to step an instant ahead of the current timeline. Though most of his powers and their limits are still unknown, he has displayed several abilities similarly possessed by DC's Superman. Such are super-strength, super-speed, invulnerability, and flight. Aside from those mentioned, he can also control light, and has vast psychic and mental forces mainly used for holding his physical powers together, though it is not yet mentioned whether the Sentry can use them the way Professor X and other psychics use theirs.
It may be theorized that the Sentry also has the ability to produce hard-light constructs similar to those of Dazzler's when it was revealed that the Void is a just an expression of his repressed persona, and thus his creation.
With Marvel dubbing The Sentry as the world's most powerful superhero, and with the serum causing a photosynthetic reaction to his body, completely altering his state of consciousness, it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless, and may even rival those of the Silver Surfer's and Phoenix's.
So he is Green Lantern/Superman/J'ohn/Professor X all in one.
Dang.
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GL-IronMan2534
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 11:47:03 AM
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Originally posted by tristang
With Marvel dubbing The Sentry as the world's most powerful superhero, and with the serum causing a photosynthetic reaction to his body, completely altering his state of consciousness, it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless, and may even rival those of the Silver Surfer's and Phoenix's.
So he is Green Lantern/Superman/J'ohn/Professor X all in one.
Dang.
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Great going Marvel making a LAME character like the Sentry and really powerful  !!!
Also if the Sentry is so damn powerful then why even have him in a team of superheros like the Avengers? In other word im saying i dont like the Sentry!!!!!!
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Scarlettspiderg
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 12:20:05 PM
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Originally posted by tristang
Yes, Marvel has brought in Supes clones before. But my point is, this time it's a cornerstone of the Avengers, on a book that is already billed for 500 issues (arguably). That's the difference this time. He comes in on a book that has been in the Top 10 best sellers for every single issue. That's the difference this time.
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Acutally he came in in a Sentry LS and several Sentry one-shot team ups in about 2001, which I sat down and re-read recently.
And after re-reading the LS I decided Void get screwed in New Avengers. He went from being an unstoppable, calculating menace to...Hulk Smash!!!
The LS/One-shots managed to tell Sentry's story, get my attention and (oh look) have action and suspense. Not 4 issues of Emma Frost walking around talking to Bob.
BTW, I'm not saying Sentry is not an interesting character (far from it) but New Avengers is moving too slowly to maintain my interest, theres little or no action. 4 issues of what could have been 2 is stupid, the Ronin arc will probably be the same. 1 issue to introduce the character, 2 issues of talking and then a 4th issue recapping whats just happened.
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tristang
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 1:10:05 PM
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Originally posted by GL-IronMan2534
Great going Marvel making a LAME character like the Sentry and really powerful!!!
Also if the Sentry is so damn powerful then why even have him in a team of superheros like the Avengers? In other word im saying i dont like the Sentry!!!!!!
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Why have Superman in the JLA? Why have Batman in the JLA? Your question really doesn't make sense.
And to Scarletspider: I won't argue that the story is a bit slow. I wasn't contesting that. I was fine with it, but I can see how others think that. I was just saying it was a huge deal, slow story or not.
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Scarlettspiderg
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 2:38:04 PM
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And to Scarletspider: I won't argue that the story is a bit slow. I wasn't contesting that. I was fine with it, but I can see how others think that. I was just saying it was a huge deal, slow story or not.
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cagliostro
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 3:16:31 PM
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Would have been a lot more interesting if the sentry HAD killed his wife (for whatever reason/accident) at least the character would have some pathos to go with it. Right now he is just a screw-up.
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GL-IronMan2534
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 5:09:38 PM
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Originally posted by GL-IronMan2534
Great going Marvel making a LAME character like the Sentry and really powerful!!!
Also if the Sentry is so damn powerful then why even have him in a team of superheros like the Avengers?
Why have Superman in the JLA? Why have Batman in the JLA? Your question really doesn't make sense.
Superman does not have the powers of Green Lantern/J'ohn/Professor X all in one. But the Sentry does have those powers all in one. My Q is if this guy has all those powers then why even put him on a team.
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lay109
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 12:53:38 AM
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I don't mind Sentry being on the team but the arc was too slow for my tastes. They could have condensed it to fewer issues just by cutting out half the crap with Emma Frost
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tristang
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 06:02:41 AM
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Hell no. I'd buy a comic with just 24 pages of Emma Frost standing there :P
lol
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Jay
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 11:11:14 AM
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He'll definitely have an interesting impact on the team, he may have all those powers but he's psychologically fragile, he could break at any moment and go into a shell or burst into energy. He's like the Terrell Owens of the Avengers, great if his head is in it, but if it's not look out!
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jhenline4
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Posted - 09/29/2005 : 8:21:32 PM
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He'll definitely have an interesting impact on the team, he may have all those powers but he's psychologically fragile, he could break at any moment and go into a shell or burst into energy. He's like the Terrell Owens of the Avengers, great if his head is in it, but if it's not look out!
"Using the whole fist, Doc?"
Wait till he finds out he isn't getting paid 
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Hasturmind
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Posted - 09/30/2005 : 06:35:40 AM
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Jay
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Posted - 09/30/2005 : 10:17:12 AM
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When he finds out he's not getting paid, he'll probably threaten to hold out and not talk to Captain America.
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