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Signatures on Comic books- Good or Bad?
People tend to think having a signature on a comic is going to raise it’s value..Is this right or wrong?
Many people debate this issue on comic forums daily so here is a small guide to help make up your mind before you get an artist to sign your comic.
Ask yourself some simple questions beforehand:
1. Why are you getting the comic book signed?
2. Is the comic going to be just for your personal collection?
3. Should the comic be signed on the cover OR inside of the cover?
If your getting your comic signed for personal reasons then by all means get it done when you have the chance. The comic itself will hold more personal value to you even if it’s not worth much money wise. Some people get their comics signed on the inside of the comic book (first page) to not reck the front cover appearance. But again if you have no intentions of selling it get the signature where you want but if you plan to possibly resell in the future think about where the signature is going to be put.
In general people are only going to pay for a signature on a comic book if it’s a key book or they really want to own the book. As Joker states on the CPG forum- “The only time signatures truly increase the value of the book is when it is a key book, signed by a key person in the creative process and CGC Signature Series encapsulation.”
Comics that are signed by well known artists and are dead could possibly raise the price of the comic but again you’ve gotta consider the condition of the book too.
Overall signatures on comics comes down to personal opinion!
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| yay! just hope no more of these questions will be asked again by anyone.
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good idea but you spelled wreck wrong
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| hey ma...is horse dead yet...can we beat some more????
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I bought this lot of comics on E-Bay and it had advertised "autographed" , I really didn't pay much attention to it since it was a comic I wasn't collecting(Cap. America). I was after the Avengers that was being sold with it to finish a run. I put my Avengers in order and put the others aside to be sorted later. When I was going through them later I noticed that I had an autographed Cap. America. I was very lucky indeed because the autograph is rare and made even more rare by his recent death. Yes, boys and girls it was signed by the Capt. himself. I can't remember the issue(90's comic), but it had on it as plain as day Captain America, am I lucky or what!!!!!! This issue is probalby skyrocketing in price even as I write and U read about it.
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As Joker states on the CPG forum- “The only time signatures truly increase the value of the book is when it is a key book, signed by a key person in the creative process and CGC Signature Series encapsulation.”
Sooo....does Joker work for CGC? No disrespect, but CGC, along with variant comics, are going to ruin the comic collecting world. The pros and cons of CGC have been debated ad nauseum, and I agree that there are some good points to having a book graded by a supposedly unbiased 3rd party. (I say supposedly because there are definite ties to Wizard--otherwise Wizard wouldn't have a few extra pages at the back of their mag dedicated to tracking ebay sales. Who benefits?) CGC will detect restoration, will determine a counterfeit from a real copy, and will try to give an accurate grade to help determine the value of a book. But isn't the value of a book dependent upon who wants to buy it? Woe to the collectors spending hundreds of dollars trying to complete their set of 9.8 Deathmates in the hopes that it will bring a massive return to them in the future. Speculators--they do more harm than good. And do people realize that "slabs" are not meant to last forever? It clearly states that fact on their site, and they encourage you to resubmit your book to be placed into another slab every 7 years. Think about that for a second. Every case they've slabbed should be replaced every 7 years. Talk about a great marketing strategy. There are more issues (no pun intended) I have with CGC, but I want to address the variant "phenomenon." Most variants today come from a store who needs to order x amount of books to get that special variant everyone chomps at the bit for. (You know, 1:10, 1:100, etc.) So they order tons of books to get that ONE book and then put it on ebay in the hopes of making some of that money back + some. The lower ratio books do make their way onto the shelf but at an immediate inflated price. Soooo....what happens to those countless books that don't sell? They're going straight to a warehouse where one day they'll be sold for a quarter. Yep, those same books you're spending 2-3-4 or 5.99 each for are basically worthless. And those special variants? They eventually drop their value too because they're not the "hot" book anymore. Remember that Batman 612 sketch variant? How about the Identity Crisis 1 variant? They sold upwards of $40-50 or more when they were hot. Now, maybe $15-20. And 5 years from now they'll reach that $5 mark. Did we learn anything from the holofoil stamped gatefold craze? Just because it's dressed in a shiny new case or the cover has a sketch on it doesn't make it any different. If you don't think history is going to repeat itself, think again.
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I agree with a lot of what you said hellzboy, however, I dont think third party grading will 'ruin' the hobby exactly. I do believe that most super high grade books that are not overly important will eventually lose some of their value, and the premium on 9.8s and 9.6s will dwindle. I hate variants, and have no desire to collect them, also, I dont collect moderns, but the low print runs of current books will allow some room for growth/hold in value for particular issues. Yes, variants lose value over time and that will continue, but I think variant interest comes and goes and is now unfortunately a staple of the industry. I dont think any of this applies to older books though as the supply is much lower and the quantity of each available issue is relatively known while demand will always be high.
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As Joker states on the CPG forum- “The only time signatures truly increase the value of the book is when it is a key book, signed by a key person in the creative process and CGC Signature Series encapsulation.”
Sooo....does Joker work for CGC? No disrespect, but CGC, along with variant comics, are going to ruin the comic collecting world.
Nope don't work for them, wouldn't work for them to be honest, was merely stating a fact of the business. CGC SS slabs sell for more than CGC slabs of the same grade for the same comic.
The pros and cons of CGC have been debated ad nauseum, and I agree that there are some good points to having a book graded by a supposedly unbiased 3rd party. (I say supposedly because there are definite ties to Wizard--otherwise Wizard wouldn't have a few extra pages at the back of their mag dedicated to tracking ebay sales. Who benefits?) CGC will detect restoration, will determine a counterfeit from a real copy, and will try to give an accurate grade to help determine the value of a book. But isn't the value of a book dependent upon who wants to buy it? Woe to the collectors spending hundreds of dollars trying to complete their set of 9.8 Deathmates in the hopes that it will bring a massive return to them in the future. Speculators--they do more harm than good. And do people realize that "slabs" are not meant to last forever? It clearly states that fact on their site, and they encourage you to resubmit your book to be placed into another slab every 7 years. Think about that for a second. Every case they've slabbed should be replaced every 7 years. Talk about a great marketing strategy. There are more issues (no pun intended) I have with CGC, but I want to address the variant "phenomenon."
At this time some decade plus after CGC started, there have been no failures of the slabs due to age. In case you haven't heard, plastics are one of those nasty little material compounds which have been troubling the environment by not decomposing like good little man-made objects. Apparently CGC's claim was an "in the event of" which has no yet, and may never come to pass. Again I don't work for them, merely passing along facts.
Most variants today come from a store who needs to order x amount of books to get that special variant everyone chomps at the bit for. (You know, 1:10, 1:100, etc.) So they order tons of books to get that ONE book and then put it on ebay in the hopes of making some of that money back + some. The lower ratio books do make their way onto the shelf but at an immediate inflated price. Soooo....what happens to those countless books that don't sell? They're going straight to a warehouse where one day they'll be sold for a quarter. Yep, those same books you're spending 2-3-4 or 5.99 each for are basically worthless. And those special variants? They eventually drop their value too because they're not the "hot" book anymore. Remember that Batman 612 sketch variant? How about the Identity Crisis 1 variant? They sold upwards of $40-50 or more when they were hot. Now, maybe $15-20. And 5 years from now they'll reach that $5 mark. Did we learn anything from the holofoil stamped gatefold craze? Just because it's dressed in a shiny new case or the cover has a sketch on it doesn't make it any different.
I totally agree that variants have gotten out of hand, but then again there are and always will be exceptions. Batman 608 RRP has only increased in value. Some variants do not retain their initial value, but they do retain more value than the regular issue usually. Anything that is done to sell more copies of an issue will invariably cause problems for collectors. But then again some people collect only those issues. So as long as people continue to buy, then someone will continue to sell. We create most of our own problems, we should really quit trying to blame third parties for them. If we as consumers vote with our dollars, then someone will listen, either way we vote.
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. Variant covers will go away if you stop buying them. . Comic prices will lower if you stop buying them. . Values will go up when less are produced (when you stop buying them). . CGC will go away if you stop using it. . Signed comics will go away when people stop giving them to people to be signed (and stop buying ones that are already signed).
People who have the money to spend to get exactly what they want when they want it (especially when their numbers are great) have always dictated how everything works. And the little guy always moans if he's not happy when he can't get all the perks, all the while not understanding that the masses hold the real power. 100 people buying a regular issue for $2.99 are more powerful than 1 person buying the 1:100 variant cover for $75.99. But good luck getting 99 other people to do what you want just to make that 1 go away.Until then, I'll take my high grade variants to every con, let some hippy scribble all over the thing while some nerd watches him do it so I can get it placed in an untouchable plastic coffin where I will stare at it for the next 7 yrs. until I get it replaced. All the while, I'll read the regular copy I also bought, just for the fun of comics.
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Seems like making this thread a "sticky" wasn't enough. Maybe bump it every week???
-slym (laughing because the other posts got erased)
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