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Aphelion
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Posted 3/29/2008 6:05:52 PM
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Legion of Superheroes #40
The story grew in all directions just as I knew it would. I like where it's going. Unfortunately, the art continues to get more annoying and I think I'll drop buying the book after about three more issues if something isn't done. This issue has a lot of characters and they all look alike. I actually had to stop reading. I had to look a few pages ahead for a frame of reference and I had to look a few pages back just to figure who was talking. The art is flat out annoying and I'm sick of putting up with it. Art like this is a big reason I don't buy new comics.
defiant1
3/31/2008 9:23:14 AM by
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Posted 3/31/2008 7:33:31 AM
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I am with you on your points! What I want to see answered is, "Which incarnation of the legion is this?". It sure reminds me of the PRE Crisis Legion which has been rebooted, what...4 times now?I have heard that question will be answered this summer. Just wish the continuity would be a little tighter here.
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The Fuj
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Posted 4/1/2008 12:12:13 PM
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I have to differ. The art is the whole ONLY thing keeping me around.
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Posted 4/2/2008 6:24:12 AM
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I'm with The Fuj. I think it's about time that Legion had a more stylized artist. The art is almost electric and I don't find it to distracting or anything of the sort. This book for me, has good writing and art. Surely not the greatest of either, but well balanced and a great buy.
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Aphelion
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Posted 4/2/2008 6:50:08 AM
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I've set a timeline. I'm off the book in 3 issues if the art doesn't shape up. I like Shooter's writing, but I really detest the manga stylings. Recent issues even look rushed to me because I've seen panels where he could draw better than he did this past issue.defiant1
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The Fuj
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Posted 4/2/2008 3:22:10 PM
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I generally go with what you say about books, but this Legion has been so BORING.and the art aint the reason. It's Shooter's boring plotting.
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Aphelion
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Posted 4/2/2008 4:27:58 PM
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The Fuj (4/2/2008)
I generally go with what you say about books, but this Legion has been so BORING.
and the art aint the reason. It's Shooter's boring plotting.
Shooter usually plots out a story at least 8 issues ahead and knows where he's going the entire time. I happen to like the intellectual dialog tossed into the story. If you can't wait for all the pieces to fall into place, you will never like any story he tells. Even his most critically revered work took time to evolve. The key is that it does evolve and he's best suited to write epics that intertwine multiple characters. He does an excellent job of making every character relevant in a team book.
I'd pretty much say that no art "excites" me as far as telling a story. It's pass or fail. There are varying degrees of pass. This art is fail. If every character has pointy Dragonball "Z" hair and the same facial expressions, I'm not really interested in seeing his work. If not for the colorist and a few costume differences, I wouldn't know one male character from the next. If Saturn Girl didn't have pony tails, she'd look like all the other female characters.
I still go back to my comment on the old board. You buy new comics regularly. This type of book may not appeal to you, but the industry didn't pull in a new reader when you added it to your list, you just shifted your budget for the month and found a way to squeeze this title in. When i bought the books, the industry got back someone that hasn't subscribed to new comics in 8 years. Plus I buy multiples of anything I buy. If this book is only trying to appeal to people that they are taking money from anyway, they didn't need to hire Shooter for this story. if they were trying to pull in readers that pretty much jumped ship, they had better start listening to people like me when we complain.
I don't care either way. I either spend money on a new product and get something I'm pleased with or I save the money and live my collecting days like i have for the past 8 years.
Come to think of it, this is one of about only two or three DC comic series that I've EVER bought regularly.
Eh! Maybe they do need to keep milking the shrinking number of customers they have. I don't think modern companies have what it takes to improve their quality anyway. Too much knowledge has moved on or passed away.
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Posted 4/2/2008 4:40:10 PM
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I think that Shooter's writing style is more suite in trade format, cuz he plots 8 issues ahead. I'm too impatient for the payoff.Not to say that I want Millar/Bendis blow your wad every month plotting, cuz I bought Rise/Fall of Shi'ar Empire (UXM) and the fact I am invested in UXM's history as you are with the Legion. I jumped on board cuz of the cartoon plain and simple. I liked the cartoon. I always heard good stuff about Legion Lost. I always heard that Shooter was like 14 writing the books and made it great. I tried it, it didn't wow me. The art was fine IMO.
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Aphelion
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Posted 4/2/2008 6:19:53 PM
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You are not the only one with a shorter attention span. There will always be writers that tell the short installments that you want to see. There are not a lot of writers like Jim Shooter that pull people in slowly.
Simple fact, DC was really struggling in the 70's and Marvel was the industry leader especially if you look at the 2nd and 3rd tier titles. There was one big difference. DC stories were almost always a single story installment. Marvel was a continuous soap opera. Debates were heated about whether long ongoing stories were better or if single stories were better. In the long run Marvel's sales increases proved that ongoing stories have more ability to pull people in. Not only do they pull people in, but they don't have stopping points in the story. Anytime you have a stopping point in a story, it's a place where fans decide if they want to keep buying or if they want to drop a series. Over the years, the mini series that weren't intended to last got converted into TPB's. Rather than stories creating a stopping point after one issue, they started creating story arcs and giving fans a stopping point after about 6 issues. The industry is event driven now and it just keeps fans frustrated.
I'm happy for you if you like the status quo. I don't and a lot of older fans don't. I want the opportunity to buy high quality intertwined stories that evolve and are not event driven. The key point is that my idea of quality and yours differs greatly. If you drop Legion, just about every other comic out there is designed for a quick payoff. You have options and you will spend your money elsewhere. People like me who are not looking for that have no other options and we just quit buying new product. We also become jaded because of all the false attempts from publishers to provide what we older fans want.
The kind of story I want is a long term commitment and it will never be instant gratification for the sales numbers. I bought Legion because I was curious about what kind of investment DC was making. So far I'm not real impressed. Jim Shooter has a lot of knowledge about storytelling locked in that brain of his. Sadly it's still going to complete waste because people who know a lot less than him think they have all the answers.
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