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Posted 9/23/2009 1:00:59 PM
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DC has spent almost 25 years now tinkering with the history and coherence of their universe -- as a recently returned OG collector, what are the titles I need to come to terms with in order to get up to speed on the changes they've made? I guess the Crisis On Infinite Earths series was the first one... and it looks like they used Secret Origins Vol. 2 to plug up some minor holes... Is the Millenium series (and related crossover books) something I need to pay attention to? What others, between COIE and Blackest Night, have juggled all the 'facts' into new arrangements?

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The main stories are

The Flash of Two Worlds in Flash (introduces Earth 1/Earth 2, starts a series of retcons that split DC's Golden and Silver Age stroies into two continuities and is the start of the branching of continuity into the multiverse

Crisis of Infinite Eaths (Destroys the Multiverse, merges all continuities into one, keeping the 'best' bits. Many old stories 'no longer count'.

Superman Man of Steel Mini, Wonder Woman Vol 2, Hawkworld + Several other series into new origins in a merged continuity - not co-ordinated with each other

Zero Hour - trys and fails to fix contridictions in continuity since Crisis.

Infinite Crisis and the 52 series introduce a new multiverse where all DC's stories belong somewhere out there and all old stories 'count' again.

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pmadreenter (9/23/2009)
What others, between COIN and Blackest Night, have juggled all the 'facts' into new arrangements?


A direct quote from Alan Moore when asked about Blackest Night:

I was noticing that DC seems to have based one of its latest crossovers [Blackest Night] in Green Lantern based on a couple of eight-page stories that I did 25 or 30 years ago. I would have thought that would seem kind of desperate and humiliating, When I have said in interviews that it doesn’t look like the American comic book industry has had an idea of its own in the past 20 or 30 years, I was just being mean. I didn’t expect the companies concerned to more or less say, "Yeah, he’s right. Let’s see if we can find another one of his stories from 30 years ago to turn into some spectacular saga." It’s tragic.


Continuity aside (because almost everyone bends the rules in order to make things work for their version/re-imagining of characters from an "older version of the Matrix") perhaps the very root of any and all continuity issues in comic universes is lack of original material. Create a new character and put them in a new situation and you have a better shot at maintaining the integrity of your publishing house than you would dropped the same old characters in newer, more outrageous, more over-the-top stories.

Alan Moore would probably agree with me.

I haven't read any of the titles above mentioned by Earl and I'm avoiding Blackest Night like a plague. There are 17 different works in the Blackest Night catalogue including the "Prelude", and I'm either going to collect them all or ignore it completely. I'll likely stick with latter. If anything, I'd rather go find those eight-page stories Moore was talking about.

@ Earl or someone else who might know this - what are those titles/issues he's talking about? Something bronze age with Black Hand in it maybe?


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@ Earl or someone else who might know this - what are those titles/issues he's talking about? Something bronze age with Black Hand in it maybe?

Moore is referring to Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual #2.

 http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.asp?comicTableID=377379

and regarding Mr. Moore's quote

I was noticing that DC seems to have based one of its latest crossovers [Blackest Night] in Green Lantern based on a couple of eight-page stories that I did 25 or 30 years ago. I would have thought that would seem kind of desperate and humiliating, When I have said in interviews that it doesn’t look like the American comic book industry has had an idea of its own in the past 20 or 30 years, I was just being mean. I didn’t expect the companies concerned to more or less say, "Yeah, he’s right. Let’s see if we can find another one of his stories from 30 years ago to turn into some spectacular saga." It’s tragic.

I have read these pages and I believe that Alan Moore is overstating his importance in this story ... but from what I understand, this is typical, boo-hoo nobody but me is any good, A.M. attitude.


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Posted 9/24/2009 10:46:16 AM


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Regardless, a sad state of affairs.
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