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| "NG"? Goofballs, not that hard to give it a proper grade.
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| Hmmm...Issue #94 was before the Baxter paper...so "White pages" may be the major clue here... Maybe the interior isn't newsprint like it should have been...maybe it's just white copy paper... Which would make counterfeiting as easy as running an exploded copy through your HP all-in-one...just hit the duplex button and you've got printing on both sides...just all on modern paper... Back in the 1970s it wasn't unusual to find a coverless key married to a "color-xeroxed" cover...almost always with a blank interior cover...in fact...somewhere around here I've got a Flash #105 like that... But I have to say back then 90% of the people selling would tell you right up front...
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I kinda disagree with giving it a grade.
"Well, we've reviewed your replica cover filled with Business Depot recycled photocopy paper sir, and I'd say it's in 9.4 condition."
Sounds silly doesn't it?
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Shadow (9/21/2009)
Hmmm...Issue #94 was before the Baxter paper...so "White pages" may be the major clue here... Maybe the interior isn't newsprint like it should have been...maybe it's just white copy paper... Which would make counterfeiting as easy as running an exploded copy through your HP all-in-one...just hit the duplex button and you've got printing on both sides...just all on modern paper... Back in the 1970s it wasn't unusual to find a coverless key married to a "color-xeroxed" cover...almost always with a blank interior cover...in fact...somewhere around here I've got a Flash #105 like that... But I have to say back then 90% of the people selling would tell you right up front...
Shadow,
Didn't you and I discuss a Green Lantern #1 (vol 1) that was an exact replica of this fashion? I think it was you who gave me the advice to pass on buying it. It was created in the 1970's too.
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Hmmm...Issue #94 was before the Baxter paper...so "White pages" may be the major clue here... Maybe the interior isn't newsprint like it should have been...maybe it's just white copy paper... Which would make counterfeiting as easy as running an exploded copy through your HP all-in-one...just hit the duplex button and you've got printing on both sides...just all on modern paper... Back in the 1970s it wasn't unusual to find a coverless key married to a "color-xeroxed" cover...almost always with a blank interior cover...in fact...somewhere around here I've got a Flash #105 like that... But I have to say back then 90% of the people selling would tell you right up front... Shadow, Didn't you and I discuss a Green Lantern #1 (vol 1) that was an exact replica of this fashion? I think it was you who gave me the advice to pass on buying it. It was created in the 1970's too. TEX Hmmmm  .... I don't recall giving such sage advice...but I'll be happy to take credit for it if no body else does...
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I kinda disagree with giving it a grade.
"Well, we've reviewed your replica cover filled with Business Depot recycled photocopy paper sir, and I'd say it's in 9.4 condition."
Sounds silly doesn't it?CGC had in the past graded books with a qualified grade and a note identifying reproduced pages (e.g., see below). CGC had done so for a short while (about 10 such books were graded this way) before they changed their policy to assigning either a NG or 0.5, depending on the book submitted. 
CGC apparently does not consider fully repro'd pages to actually be part of the book.
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Silver Age Surfer (9/21/2009)
I kinda disagree with giving it a grade.
"Well, we've reviewed your replica cover filled with Business Depot recycled photocopy paper sir, and I'd say it's in 9.4 condition."
Sounds silly doesn't it?
No, because there are collectors that collect counterfeit books for the historical placemarks or impression they left on the hobby. If it's a well done counterfeit, I want to know. They should grade it and quit acting like they are my protector. It's fine that they labeled it as counterfeit a dozen times. To me, 'not' grading it shows bias against people collecting it and partiality towards people who don't want it to exist. Evidently it does exist. They should do the damn job they are being paid to do instead of trying to steer me into collecting what they want me to collect.
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CGC apparently does not consider fully repro'd pages to actually be part of the book.
Nor would I if that's in fact what this is. Grade it accordingly with a PLOD (or whatever they do to clarify it's incomplete) and move to the next book. It's possible that someone could do high quality scans and use a print-on-demand service to make a nice counterfeit. If so, it'd be nice to know.
Currently I know a group of some collectors that are wanting to produce a high quality treasury sized version of a comic they liked and distribute it amongst themselves. I suspect they'll get the copyright holder's approval, but either way, it's still collectible just like bootleg or pirated music.
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Silver Age Surfer (9/21/2009)
I kinda disagree with giving it a grade.
"Well, we've reviewed your replica cover filled with Business Depot recycled photocopy paper sir, and I'd say it's in 9.4 condition."
Sounds silly doesn't it?
No, because there are collectors that collect counterfeit books for the historical placemarks or impression they left on the hobby. If it's a well done counterfeit, I want to know. They should grade it and quit acting like they are my protector. It's fine that they labeled it as counterfeit a dozen times. To me, 'not' grading it shows bias against people collecting it and partiality towards people who don't want it to exist. Evidently it does exist. They should do the damn job they are being paid to do instead of trying to steer me into collecting what they want me to collect.
WOW,
What a great discussion!
1. Hey Aphelion! How are you?
For Aphelion: Do you think that grading counterfeit books might break some preexisting relationship between comics publishers and the CGC? Do you think that grading counterfeit comics would in some way "tarnish their reputation" for being the best at authentication?
2. Hey S.A.S.! How are you?
For S.A.S. : Why do you think that it is the business of the CGC (or in their best interests) not to grade counterfeit items? Should they not just be a neutral grading company?
I'd love to read your thoughts.
TEX
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