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Yeah, I totally agree...
Here's a thought. Is it possible for the label to have been switched? I saw a video of these things being opened up and once you remove the outer case, there is nothing sealing in the label. The top two posts are loose, so the case could in theory be opened enough to make the label fall out. Now, if this person swapped say a 6.5 label with a 9.0 label from a different comic. Then he sells the 6.0 for the price of a 9.0 and still has the 9.0 book.
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What if CGC made a mistake on this book? Do they have some type of guarantee? I see no way that a book with two 1 1/2" creases/wrinkles, 27 spine creases (1 color breaking), and a damaged corner (with color breaks) can receive a 9.0... When compared to the X-Men #137 8.5 I bought it is a HUGE difference.
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| If that case hasn't been tampered with, it was pretty poorly put together. The two 'creases' on the upper right corner are a flaw in the paper used. CGC is lenient on these defects since they are production defects and don't put much weight on them. This is one of the common complaints about CGC standards where they give flaws as these a relative free pass. Taking this onto account, with the rest of the book, 9.0 sounds about right from what I can see in the pictures.
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9.0 is a tough grade I know some people that stay away from them altogether because what comprises a 9.0 can vary quite a bit. I have never had a problem with the grade though I will admit that sometimes the difference between 8.5 and 9.0 is marginal.
That is not a very bad impact corner and if the other corners are sharp the impact corner will not amount to much of a mark down. Spine stress/non-colour breaking creases are not uncommon in 9.0 and I don't see any that are very big and one colour breaking crease is not a big deal for a 9.0. I have seen 9.2's with four or five colour breaking creases.
The long printers creases are generally over-looked or very lightly weighted. They would not impact a 9.0 at all. This is a CGC policy which has a very cool reception in the community. (Along with other printer defects such as off center staples, misaligned covers, etc)
CGC does not guarantee anything just read the back of the label. While this is a bit understandable since grading is subjective and no standards exist. As well since they change their "rules" quite often and have a sliding scale based on age having standards and guarantees would bind them. If they guaranteed their work they would be constantly getting books back.
As for whether or not this case was tampered with just send me the serial number and I will check. Generally though one would break the case or the posts to swap things out. I think it is possible to get the label out but that is about it and tampering with the label would be a bit obvious (even if it was pulled out and swapped with another one).
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Thanks for all the input. I figured they would not be penalized too much otherwise there is no way this could have gotten anywhere near a 9.0! This does give hope for my Witchblade 1/2 Fan Edition as well.
The label number for the X-Men is: 0127287012
Hopefully it hasn't been tampered with because I may have to upgrade this one. I think a 9.2 would be an extra $10 or so.
What would happen if I snap the two corner posts back together? Right now the comic is loose and moves around a bit. If it were to fall, there would surely be some damage to the corners.
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As for whether or not this case was tampered with just send me the serial number and I will check. Generally though one would break the case or the posts to swap things out. I think it is possible to get the label out but that is about it and tampering with the label would be a bit obvious (even if it was pulled out and swapped with another one).Also, I really don't think anyone would take all the time to switch out a low value book with a different copy that could concievably recieve the same grade. Not much motive there
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Certification # 0127287012
Grade Date 10/14/2004
Title X-Men
Issue 135
Issue Date 7/80
Publisher Marvel Comics
Country
Variant
Pedigree
Category Modern
Grade 9.0
Page Quality WHITE
Grade Text
Art Comments Chris Claremont story
John Byrne & Terry Austin cover & art
Key Comments 1st appearance of Senator Robert Kelly.
Reed Richards Thing Spider-Man
Doctor Strange & Silver Surfer cameo.
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Thanks for the research! There is a small discrepancy:
Reed Richards Thing Spider-Man
Doctor Strange & Silver Surfer cameo.
This is not on the label, but everything else is. Maybe everything is ok, just the posts were not sealed correctly.
About the top two corner posts... Should I try and snap those together or will something break if I try it? As it stands now, I can't move the case because the book will collide with the hard case and risk damage. Should I ask for $7 which would be the re-slabbing fee if I decide to re-slab it? I am still undecided if I want to keep this in the slab or have it as my reading copy. I may use Classic X-Men for readers since they have the side stories at the end of each book.
@Boboset,
Also, I really don't think anyone would take all the time to switch out a low value book with a different copy that could concievably recieve the same grade. Not much motive there
I don't know... Someone killed his wife over an octopus. He thought she ate his octopus and swapped it with a smaller one. He threw her on the grill and cooked her. Later he found out that an octopus will shrink when you cook it (he went to jail of course). I imagine that half a grade difference can buy at least one octopus leg 
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About the top two corner posts... Should I try and snap those together or will something break if I try it? As it stands now, I can't move the case because the book will collide with the hard case and risk damage. Should I ask for $7 which would be the re-slabbing fee if I decide to re-slab it? I am still undecided if I want to keep this in the slab or have it as my reading copy. I may use Classic X-Men for readers since they have the side stories at the end of each book.
Just call CGC and ask about this and see if they can give you the grading notes for the book. Explain though that you just purchased this book and have some concerns otherwise I don't know if they will just give you the grading notes. Perhaps even that impact corner happened because the book is freely moving within the slab and can suffer SCS quite easily.
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| OK. Thanks. I will try that.
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