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Dealers and other graders may disagree with some grading classifications. Grading of comics is very subjective. The definitions provided below are simply guidelines for what you should look for when purchasing comics.
Some grading companies have actually devised a numeric or scale grading system (see table below) that ranges from 10.0 (mint) to 0.5 (poor). The advantages of such a system allow for variation in each grade and even allow for grade overlaps. For example, you can now have a grade called VERY GOOD/FINE. As stated earlier, the definitions below are simple guidelines to help you with purchases. For more detailed grading, you may wish to utilize a third party grading company.
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^^^ LOL!!!
That's beautiful!
On a more serious note, I've been noticing that some books are starting to get better grades from CGC that might not have before. For example, I was looking at the Collectors Society forums and there was a Hulk 181 with 9 stress lines counted from the scan and it received a 9.4. Now, I understand that the book is a key book, but regardless,this can cause a problem.
The difference between 9.2 and 9.4 on a book like this could be $600!!! Unfortunately, people buy the label before the books now... Now, if they all of a sudden change the standards on grading this book because of its importance, what happens to all the books graded prior? The previous grades should no longer be valid and every book is technically undergraded... or rather, the new grades are actually invalid, meaning that all the newly graded Hulk 181, may be OVERGRADED!!!
This means if someone buys a 9.4 online, they may receive a book that would have previously graded an 8.5 or 9.0. I don't think Hulk 181 is so rare that it needs special treatment. Also, if this one gets a 9.4, what does my reader copy get?
Let me ask this, what is most important for all the collectors out there when looking at a book for appeal?
So basically, what qualities do you feel a book that is NM or better must have and what can it absolutely not have. You can break this down by era if you like. I'll give it a try first:
Modern NM:
Positive Qualities:
Perfect Corners
Perfect Gloss
Perfect Colors
Perfect Interior
Virgin Spine (unread)
Perfect Flatness
Near Perfect Binding/Centering
Defects Acceptable:
Anything only noticeable with extreme effort.
Invisible Spine stresses/creases (no color breaks)
Spine Folding spotted damage, up to 25% (very common in modern books)
Invisible Scuffs (practically unavoidable)
Avoidances:
Any breaks in color!
Any Bindery Tears larger than 1/32"
Bronze Age:
Near Perfect Colors
Near Perfect Gloss
Perfect Corners
Near Perfect Interior
Tight Spine (read once)
Perfectly Flat
Near Perfect Binding/Centering
Perfect Staples (a given in Modern Age)
Acceptable Defects:
Cover Overlapping Interior as long as it does not crease and risk is low
Bumps by staples
A few TINY spine stresses/creases as long as they do not stand out
Avoidances:
A color break larger than 1/8" (one is acceptable if it is hard to find)
Silver Age and Older:
High Gloss
Vibrant Colors
Corners Near Perfect
Near Perfect Interior
Spine Tight (Read a few times)
Perfectly Flat
Well Centered
Staples Near Perfect
Acceptable Defects:
A corner or two may be dinged up to 1/16"
A few spine creases acceptable up to 1/8"
Small Bend at corners ok up to 1/8" as long as there is no risk of creasing
White's may be a little off
Edges can have damage as long as it takes effort to see
Avoidances:
Browning anywhere near the staples
Interior Browning
Odors!!
Basically my standards for meeting a Near Mint grade for my collection. Things like Browning not mentioned in newer books are a given, since they are more common in older books, therefore they were not mentioned in the newer eras, since it is not common to find a book from 2000 for example, with browning pages, although, I did purchase a supposed MINT book from 1996 that had this trait as well as a foul odor, tons of creases, huge bends, scratches, holes, etc... Ah, online shopping...
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Dealers and other graders may disagree with some grading classifications. Grading of comics is very subjective. The definitions provided below are simply guidelines for what you should look for when purchasing comics. Some grading companies have actually devised a numeric or scale grading system (see table below) that ranges from 10.0 (mint) to 0.5 (poor). The advantages of such a system allow for variation in each grade and even allow for grade overlaps. For example, you can now have a grade called VERY GOOD/FINE. As stated earlier, the definitions below are simple guidelines to help you with purchases. For more detailed grading, you may wish to utilize a third party grading company. ===================== rock ======================= Evercleanse detox diet-
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Again, I submit that grading is not subjective. The price someone is willing to pay for a graded comic based on what it has been graded at may be subjective, but the grade itself is not. Although there are exceptions, most comics fall into a fairly specific grade upon thorough inspection that almost everyone (if not everyone) can agree on. There's debate on these forums over what posted comics should be graded at, but these are grades rendered by forum posters based on scans, etc. Once it goes under a 3rd party microscope, it's a different story.
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Silver Age Surfer (9/16/2009)
Again, I submit that grading is not subjective. The price someone is willing to pay for a graded comic based on what it has been graded at may be subjective, but the grade itself is not. Although there are exceptions, most comics fall into a fairly specific grade upon thorough inspection that almost everyone (if not everyone) can agree on. There's debate on these forums over what posted comics should be graded at, but these are grades rendered by forum posters based on scans, etc. Once it goes under a 3rd party microscope, it's a different story.
Just curious... Has anyone ever submitted a book to CGC, taken it out of the slab, then immediately submitted the book to CGC again?
No, I would not expect a 9 to go to a 7 or such... but maybe a half point difference, or a 9.6 to 9.4 or 9.2 ?
I imagine (and that is just me) that there is some "subjectiveness". For example, for differences in page color. Not every page can be either "Off-White" or "Off-White/Cream" without some comics having pages being right in between these two categories. (Unless they use a very expensive Colorimeter instrument that measures the specific wavelength of light, and measure the white of each border of each page and take an average. - I doubt this.)
Just curious. This fascinates me. Is there any way to watch an entire CGC grading process?
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Just curious... Has anyone ever submitted a book to CGC, taken it out of the slab, then immediately submitted the book to CGC again?
No, I would not expect a 9 to go to a 7 or such... but maybe a half point difference, or a 9.6 to 9.4 or 9.2 ?
I imagine (and that is just me) that there is some "subjectiveness". For example, for differences in page color. Not every page can be either "Off-White" or "Off-White/Cream" without some comics having pages being right in between these two categories. (Unless they use a very expensive Colorimeter instrument that measures the specific wavelength of light, and measure the white of each border of each page and take an average. - I doubt this.)
Just curious. This fascinates me. Is there any way to watch an entire CGC grading process?
Indeed, That would be very interesting
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Just curious... Has anyone ever submitted a book to CGC, taken it out of the slab, then immediately submitted the book to CGC again?
No, I would not expect a 9 to go to a 7 or such... but maybe a half point difference, or a 9.6 to 9.4 or 9.2 ?
I imagine (and that is just me) that there is some "subjectiveness". For example, for differences in page color. Not every page can be either "Off-White" or "Off-White/Cream" without some comics having pages being right in between these two categories. (Unless they use a very expensive Colorimeter instrument that measures the specific wavelength of light, and measure the white of each border of each page and take an average. - I doubt this.)
Just curious. This fascinates me. Is there any way to watch an entire CGC grading process?
CGC has 3 graders and they average it out. People have cracked and resubmitted but generally it has had something done before resubmit IE press, resto removal, tape removal, dry or non-aqueous cleaning ect. I think press is the most common but thats my meaker opinion at best as I am still learning. I can dig some examples up if you all like.
Indeed, That would be very interesting
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