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Morrison-in some things I think he is amazing. But, I prefer linear story telling, and this was more like Pulp Fiction. Was the story, clever. Yeah, I will give him that. Is Bruce dead? Agreed, that his final fate will be revealed in Final Crisis . But what does that mean? Do we have Captain america all over again except this time with Robin and the brat, and Jason? Already done in Cap-move on. Is Bats dead? Nah, not with a multi billion dollar movie industry. But, what really bothers me is if Batmans final fate is to be revealed in Final Crisis, why leave everyone hanging? Yeah, this was dissapointing. Clever at times, but dissapointing, I agree about Morrison. I'm not a Morrison fanatic where everything he does is great but I don't automatically hate everything he does either. He can do some very weird things and sometimes I like it and sometimes I don't, but this was just a miss for me. Just one example: Damien (Batman's son) is driving the Batmobile (he can't be 17, so why is he driving and Alfred a passenger?) and runs an ambulance off of a bridge and nothing is done or said about it. Yes, the ambulance was being driven by the Joker, but no one knew that. Nothing is done or said about it and even Alfred barely mentions it. Just...bad. As for Batman dying, the casebook had to have been written after the explosion, so he couldn't be dead because some of the things in the casebook (the lined handwritten pages) were things only Bruce Wayne would know. And I don't see what the monumental reveal was that was supposed to change Batman or make him give up being Batman. Dr. Hurt claimed to be his father but Batman immediately knocked that aside without a hint of doubt. Besides the fact that I would hate that horrible bit of recon if it were true, since Batman doesn't believe it, there is no reason for him to give up being Batman because of it.
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Morrison-in some things I think he is amazing. But, I prefer linear story telling, and this was more like Pulp Fiction. Was the story, clever. Yeah, I will give him that. Is Bruce dead? Agreed, that his final fate will be revealed in Final Crisis .
But what does that mean? Do we have Captain america all over again except this time with Robin and the brat, and Jason? Already done in Cap-move on. Is Bats dead? Nah, not with a multi billion dollar movie industry.
But, what really bothers me is if Batmans final fate is to be revealed in Final Crisis, why leave everyone hanging?
Yeah, this was dissapointing. Clever at times, but dissapointing,
I agree about Morrison. I'm not a Morrison fanatic where everything he does is great but I don't automatically hate everything he does either. He can do some very weird things and sometimes I like it and sometimes I don't, but this was just a miss for me. Just one example: Damien (Batman's son)is driving the Batmobile (he can't be 17, so why is he driving and Alfred a passenger?) and runs an ambulance off of a bridge and nothing is done or said about it. Yes, the ambulance was being driven by the Joker, but no one knew that. Nothing is done or said about it and even Alfred barely mentions it. Just...bad.
As for Batman dying, the casebook had to have been written after the explosion, so he couldn't be dead because some of the things in the casebook (the lined handwritten pages) were things only Bruce Wayne would know.
And I don't see what the monumental reveal was that was supposed to change Batman or make him give up being Batman. Dr. Hurt claimed to be his father but Batman immediately knocked that aside without ahint of doubt. Besides the fact that I would hate that horrible bit of recon if it were true, since Batman doesn't believe it, there is no reason for him to give up being Batman because of it.
Awesome post. I agree 100% with all of it.
But yeah, I'm so sick of comics now days promising these big reveals and they ALL end with this type of crap. Yet we all continue to fall for it...
The major crossovers, the major events, just self contained titles, etc. It so gets old.
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Awesome post. I agree 100% with all of it.
But yeah, I'm so sick of comics now days promising these big reveals and they ALL end with this type of crap. Yet we all continue to fall for it...
The major crossovers, the major events, just self contained titles, etc. It so gets old.
It's sort of funny in a way. Back 10 years ago when I stopped reading and collecting comics, the big complaints were all the major events tying into multiple titles and all the crazy covers (die cut, hologram, etc.). Now I'm back and the same issues are around though with the covers, now it's variants as opposed to "gimmick" covers. Thankfully I didn't let myself get sucked into all the crossover mess this time around and I only need one cover of an issue so I can pass on the multiple covers. If only I did that back then *L* I have to wonder now about the final fate of the Batman that is to be revealed in Final Crisis. Are they going to actually let that story play out in there or is it going to be like the death of Martian Manhunter and the fate is given in one panel or one page and then to get the "real" story we're going to have to buy yet another comic.
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| I don't really populate these forums anymore but I would like to say one thing... Told ya so - Morrison is horrible and I am glad I stopped buying this stuff before it happened. The only bat book I buy anymore is Detective - and that RIP storyline was nothing special.
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Well..to be Honest..it isn't just Morrison......every Mainstream title, rather it be a solo book or a major event book, isn;t delivering.
Only one I can think of is Green lantern.
Between DC and Marvel right now, theres just some really shitty books out, no matter how good the writers are that are working on them. They just need FREEDOM, and these companies aren't giving it to them.
Shocking that a lot of the great books are pretty much coming out of Image these days...
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Totally agree with you on the superhero front...I am enjoying Daredevil (the entire framing Matt Murdock every arc is getting old), Captain America (the end of the darn Red Skull storyline has finally come), and JSA (that darn storyline lasted way too long as well) - these are some of the few I still purchase.
Fables, Northlanders, Sgt Rock, Criminal, and Zorro have been great reads though.
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| Hmm read it on the weekend and the payoff sucked. After slugging my way through the last year of this title and half the time not understanding what was going on this was the finale? I definitely have to agree that I'm a fan of linear storytelling in comic books. Don't make me work for it or expect me to remember small details from an issue that came out months ago. It seems like everything is written with a mind for making into a trade publication without a care for the monthly title collectors. I was hoping this would wrap up and things would get normalish for a while. Maybe not going to happen. I might start picking up Detective Comics if its better that way in 2 to 3 issue arcs that make sense throughout.
What's in my long boxes? http://www.comicspriceguide.com/world/default.asp?m=icebreaka
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Well, 682 was an AWESOME read.
Too bad Morrison doesnt always write like he did in this issue..
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Icebreaka (12/8/2008)I was hoping this would wrap up and things would get normalish for a while. Maybe not going to happen. I might start picking up Detective Comics if its better that way in 2 to 3 issue arcs that make sense throughout. To me, Detective has been a much better read. Until this last 5 issue arc, most of the stories are done in one or two issues but there are things going on that tie the issues together so there is flow to them. It will be interesting to see if Morrison comes back to Batman. I know that was the original plan, but I've been reading that may be changing now.
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