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Come on KingOfRulers!
You can't tell me that you wouldn't be more willing to pay $40K (if you could) for a non-graded copy of Detective Comics #27 that you yourself says is in VG condition than you would to pay upwards of up to 10x grade for a CGC graded copy of the same book in the same grade. And all because some decided that it was in VG condition, printed out a nice blue label, and put it in a hard plastic case?
A Detective #27 in VG, whether raw or slabbed doesn't go for 10x guide. Anyway, the point is that the condition of the book was appraised by unbiased, capable graders and restoration detectors. Let's say you had 50k to go blow on a Tec' #27 in San Diego next week. If you want to walk in to a show ready to write a big fat 50k check to some guy for a Tec' #27 who says it is a VG, where does that leave you? Do you think you are skilled enough, and with an unbiased mentality towards the book to make it smart for you to sign a check for a book that might be worth only 15k. Do you have the knowledge in restoration detection to guarantee that the book is untouched. CGC's word is not inherently valuable. At one point it wasn't valuable, but over time their word and skill has proven valuable.
Your entire arguement is senseless. It sounds more like petty displeasure over what you can and can't afford.You're relating a CGC 9.8 X-men #1 to a raw copy. Well, what the hell grade is the raw copy?!? A 2.0? 6.0? 9.2? You are trying to relate a 9.8 copy to some open ended copy of some mythical grade which apparantly also costsa few pennieswhich in turn somehow means that graded books ruined the industry. -- This whole paragraph just hurt my head.
I was relating two exact copies of Uncanny X-Men #1 in 9.8 grade. Ok......let's slow it down a bit. Let's say that you buy a non-graded copy of said book that you know is a 9.8. Let's also say that you paid $10K for this book. You then take it to CGC yourself (because we all know how you love to do that). You stay there and witness them check it in, inventory it, rub their white-gloved little fingers all over it..........whatever it is they do over there. By the time it's all over, you leave the place with a freshly-slabbed copy of your book with a label that reads "Uncanny X-Men #1 CGC 9.8". What makes that book worth $190K more than the book that you started off with? Is it just because it's in a hard plastic case? If so.............that's one expensive piece of plastic.
The X-men #1 is worth whatever someone will pay for it. My grade of a 9.8 is not trusted to the degree that CGCs is. For something to have value, it is has to be accepted. What good is an X-men #1 9.8 if the prospective buyers do not accept my grade? Trust and credibility are valuable. You can't touch it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't carry value. There are appraisel companies all over the world who appraise coins, cards, fine art, etc...and comics. As the dollar amount grows, the risk grows. The pool of buyers grows as the trust and credibility in the appraisel of the product grows. Nobody is going to drop $200k on an X-men #1 if they don't have any trust in the product, which is why raw books often don't fetch their true value. Certified books don't necessarily fetch premiums--raw books just don't always fetch their true value. You think experts that appraise fine art have worthless opinions? lol You seem to completely devalue the opinion of someone experienced and knowledgable in the field.
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I have to agree with KoR...I personally like CGC books. I have a hard time buying ungraded books. Why? well I am no expert grader or resto checker. B Since i am not if i decide to sell there is no arguing..I do not agree with CGCs grading standards (whatever they r). I do like the older system better. It is not natural to look for fingerprints on a comic.
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| i also agree. i really dont care. i read my comics also.
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Magic Dan (7/16/2008)
I'm in...5.5 and that's without the benefit of a rear cover pic.
Sorry if you paid more than $40 though.
5.5 is exactly what they said. I'm shocked, I really think that's over grading. But whatever. And thanks for the thought, I paid less than $40.
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bobafettesb (7/16/2008)
It may be true that having thousand of 9.8 graded books in the market might lower the price for certain books. Then what would be the point of having those books slabbed anyway? You wouldn't be able to read them. Isn't that what most of us are in this for anyway? I for one love comics because of the stories. I don't just want a bunch of books that are essentially worthless behind a plastic case and all I can do is look at the front and back covers. 
I don't really have the "CGC" bug either. I only buy CGC 9.8s or above for books that I either have the TPB or single issues for. And I normally limit my purchases to mini-series and titles that didn't have a very long run.
There is no point in having them graded. It's a fetish, and an expensive one.
As for ruining the industry, I'd say first of all that the industry ain't ruined. But if it were to suffer any serious damage, it'd be more due to the high price of comics, and the fact that I pretty much never see any kids in the comic store. Comics are like cigarettes: the industry should be trying to get new generations hooked young!
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It seems to me there are enough copies of MOST comics out there to satisfy both the collectors of slabbed and the collectors of not slabbed... I haven't been to a major convention yet that didn't have a dozen copies of Amazing Fantasy #15 in every condition you can imagine...slabbed and unslabbed... So we can argue the wisdom and virtues of professional grading until we're blue in the face...and you're not going to change some peoples minds either way... If you want to hold the book and turn the pages and (gasp) read it...then slabbed seems a little ridiculous... If you want to be assured of the grade...and the absence of any restoration...then you'd be foolish to buy anything unslabbed... So it all comes down to a level of comfort...like everything else in life...and what you're willing to pay to have that comfort...
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Speedy-D (7/17/2008)
bobafettesb (7/16/2008)
It may be true that having thousand of 9.8 graded books in the market might lower the price for certain books. Then what would be the point of having those books slabbed anyway? You wouldn't be able to read them. Isn't that what most of us are in this for anyway? I for one love comics because of the stories. I don't just want a bunch of books that are essentially worthless behind a plastic case and all I can do is look at the front and back covers.
I don't really have the "CGC" bug either. I only buy CGC 9.8s or above for books that I either have the TPB or single issues for. And I normally limit my purchases to mini-series and titles that didn't have a very long run.
There is no point in having them graded. It's a fetish, and an expensive one.
As for ruining the industry, I'd say first of all that the industry ain't ruined. But if it were to suffer any serious damage, it'd be more due to the high price of comics, and the fact that I pretty much never see any kids in the comic store. Comics are like cigarettes: the industry should be trying to get new generations hooked young!
I can just picture a guy resembling "Comic Book Guy" from The Simpsons rolling around in a box van with no windows. Waiting for the little kiddies to get out of school.
*In creepy stalker-guy voice*
"Hey little kid. What to try some comics?"
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