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Posted 6/1/2008 9:24:42 PM


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WOLFEN (6/1/2008)
Asked and answered...Speedy

In a sense, yes, Seven Soldiers is required..to a true fan of any comic genre, all books that have to deal with any type of time/history/character altering event would be required reading...and in a perfect world, we would all be able to afford them all and have the time to read them all.


Okay cool ... so what's seven soldiers? a mini-series? I took a quick look at 'nuff said (just happened to have the site open) and I see:

seven soldiers
seven soldiers: bulleteer
seven soldiers: frankenstein
seven soldiers: guardian
seven soldiers: klarion the witch boy
seven soldiers: mister miracle
seven soldiers: shining knight
seven soldiers: zatanna

are these all what you're tlaking about? is each one a mini-series? if so, I have a lot to do before FC #2 comes out!



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Posted 6/1/2008 9:43:52 PM


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Wolfen has a good point as far as the death of J'onn J'onnz Is concerned as this was a fairly big event and he was killed off by a no-name villian.  However the problem I have, as well as most others have, is that while that was meant to be the big shocker event of issue #1, it was pushed off as a back story piece, and didn't hardly have any recognition whatsoever.  Even the art was unspectacular for such an event.   I know this isn't he 90's anymore, so full page spreads are pretty much unheard of, but if we're going to treat J'onns death as a back up piece, then it should at least have a final full page spread showing as much anguish as possible to leave the readers feeling the pain he feels.  Instead we get a small cramped page with little flow, and as far as I'm concerned bad art and even worse story.  I think that J'onn's death was quite possibly the worst handled death of a hero that I've ever seen.

As for Seven soliders or whatever the hell the mini is called... We shouldn't have to read it to know whats going on.  A good "Universe Changing" event has always been contained within it's own 6, 7, or 12 issues.  Their are always tie ins that flesh out the event more, and of course there will be a truckload of material that happens before the event to build hype and anticipation, however with every other arc I can think of, all of that extra wasn't necessary for the actual story to make sense.  House of M, Civil War, Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Crisis on Infinite Earths, etc., all made sense by just reading the core issues, however final crisis does not, and even worse, picks parts of DC's history that people really don't care about.  Does anyone, or for that matter, has anyone, ever cared about the New Gods?  No.  They've always been small bit players in the DCU, and focusing a major event around them is stupid.  Starting off Slow is one thing, I remember reading posts about Infinite Crisis where people questioned the flow of the story, same with several marvel stories, however I can't remember an arc where people were outright disappointed and willing to drop a story after a single issue. 

Bottom line here is that DC messed up the launch of their big summer event, and unless issue #2 see's much MUCH better story pacing, and improvement in the art department, this will be a HUGE letdown for DC fans.

 

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Posted 6/2/2008 12:53:47 AM


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I still haven't read: Infinite Crisis or 52, even though I bought them all...  stopped buying when Countdown came out and havent bought Final Crisis.  I guess I just think DC Superheros suck...

I enjoyed Villians United and the Spectre DAys of Vengance minis and got stuck on Rann-Thangar War, which was boring and confusing, the rest of Infinite Crisis > 52 are just sitting there in a pile.

The only DC's I have been able to keep up with have been Batman (my interest renewed after the film came out) and The All-Star line.

Now Vertigo is a different story.  I buy and Read all of those...

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Posted 6/2/2008 8:59:34 AM


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Havok (6/1/2008)
Wolfen has a good point as far as the death of J'onn J'onnz Is concerned as this was a fairly big event and he was killed off by a no-name villian.  However the problem I have, as well as most others have, is that while that was meant to be the big shocker event of issue #1, it was pushed off as a back story piece, and didn't hardly have any recognition whatsoever.  Even the art was unspectacular for such an event.   I know this isn't he 90's anymore, so full page spreads are pretty much unheard of, but if we're going to treat J'onns death as a back up piece, then it should at least have a final full page spread showing as much anguish as possible to leave the readers feeling the pain he feels.  Instead we get a small cramped page with little flow, and as far as I'm concerned bad art and even worse story.  I think that J'onn's death was quite possibly the worst handled death of a hero that I've ever seen.

As for Seven soliders or whatever the hell the mini is called... We shouldn't have to read it to know whats going on.  A good "Universe Changing" event has always been contained within it's own 6, 7, or 12 issues.  Their are always tie ins that flesh out the event more, and of course there will be a truckload of material that happens before the event to build hype and anticipation, however with every other arc I can think of, all of that extra wasn't necessary for the actual story to make sense.  House of M, Civil War, Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Crisis on Infinite Earths, etc., all made sense by just reading the core issues, however final crisis does not, and even worse, picks parts of DC's history that people really don't care about.  Does anyone, or for that matter, has anyone, ever cared about the New Gods?  No.  They've always been small bit players in the DCU, and focusing a major event around them is stupid.  Starting off Slow is one thing, I remember reading posts about Infinite Crisis where people questioned the flow of the story, same with several marvel stories, however I can't remember an arc where people were outright disappointed and willing to drop a story after a single issue. 

Bottom line here is that DC messed up the launch of their big summer event, and unless issue #2 see's much MUCH better story pacing, and improvement in the art department, this will be a HUGE letdown for DC fans.

 

Agreed, this has nothing to do with being  a fair weather fan. It has everything to do with how Morrison wanted to tell a story.

You want to kill a main character, create the suspense. Where was it here? It wasn't. It was a "drive by" without any peril, any danger and any chance for the reader to emotionally connect with the possibility of a characters death. I had to look at that page thre times to really see if they killed the character.

I get it, really. Sometimes a writer wants to just show how radom life can be. Steven King takes 100 pages to develop a character and kills them in one sentence. If DC wanted the wow factor, this approach is not always desirable.

Seven Soldiers, Wolfie? Gimme a break. They have not been a factor in the DC Universe in years and even if something happens, then fricken recap it.  

Anyone check the DC boards? Yeah, we all tend to be critical  but we had to have an explanation of what happened because not only was this not accesible to new readers, even long term readers were confused.

I  believe this will get better. I think this still will be the wow factor of the summer. But Morrison is hit or miss with his story telling. All Star Supes is amazing. This one however was a big miss, not for the content but for the layout and the story.

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Posted 6/3/2008 9:56:11 AM


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I should finally get issue one today, so I will reserve comment until then.
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Posted 6/3/2008 1:54:01 PM


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Ringfinger (6/3/2008)
I should finally get issue one today, so I will reserve comment until then.

Ok, then why the above post? Please wait until you READ something and then post.

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Posted 6/3/2008 2:12:52 PM


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Ringfinger (6/3/2008)
I should finally get issue one today, so I will reserve comment until then.

Ok, then why the above post? Please wait until you READ something and then post.

 

whoa whoa whoa.... what is that for>? Lookie didnt read it yet either, and I didnt see you jump down his throat.

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