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Wow....what a way to start out the big summer event!
I almost fell asleep i was so enamored.......I had been looking forward to this...really i had....but it lost me after the GL's showing up to play policeman.....ill give it 2 more issues...hope it gets better...but so far with just this issue it kind of killed my hopes for Crisis...it felt like i was reading "Coutdown to Something Other Than Final Crisis"...
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Ermmm,did you guys pick up the right comic?? Final Crisis. Big event of the summer? . . . . . This one right?....  Don't think Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds is out for a couple months yet, no? British humour fails again I was trying to allude that Final Crisis by Morrison is not the main event and that the 'main' Final Crisis event will in fact be the Johns and Perez Final Crisis Legion of 3 Worlds mini.
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Earl Davis (5/31/2008)
British humour fails again
I was trying to allude that Final Crisis by Morrison is not the main event and that the 'main' Final Crisis event will in fact be the Johns and Perez Final Crisis Legion of 3 Worlds mini.
Waaaay too subtle for me. Although something tells me that there won't really be any 'Final Crisis" this Summer, hard as it may be to believe.
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[quote]Earl Davis (5/31/2008)
I did find at least one positive review...http://comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=140[/quote] Yeah, ya have to love this paragraph from the above review: As promised "Final Crisis" really does begin with Anthro, DC's "first boy." It not only begins with Anthro, but the first seven pages of issue #1 take place in the Stone Age, with nary a word spoken--just a lot of grunts from the cavemen. Except for Metron, of course, who appears, speaks (telepathically, one presumes), and gives Anthro the gift of fire. "Here is knowledge," says Metron, as his finger creates the spark. SEVEN PAGES???????????????? We need seven pages to show this? The more I think about this issue, the more dissapointed I become.
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| As always...you guys are about as fairweather as Los Angeles sports fans... I'm sorry, did any of you read Seven Soldiers? Do you not remember the Mister Miracle portion of that story? Darksied was in semi-human guise...and he was holder of the Anti-life equation.. Spoiler alert>>>>>>>> All of this comes and quells from not only 52, but also Countdown and The Seven-Soldiers of Victory saga...There are parts of those storylines that hold a place in there...And the Manhunter being killed....How can this not be huge? Come on people, THAT'S J'ONN J'ONZZ!The MARTIAN MANHUNTER! Killed at the behest of some second rate yahoo! Libra's setting a precedent...if he can take out the Manhunter, who the hell is next? You guys are being set up for something..Morrison is setting this up for ticking off fans bigtime..I say give it the chance it warrants...I'm on for the full ride..Because at least the damn devil didn't show up and say "POOF" there goes 20 years of history....
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For those like me who were a bit confused there was this good summary on the DCU boards...
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I'm noticing alot of people who mostly forgot or ignored the stories in Countdown and Death of the New Gods who are now confused by the story implications in Final Crisis.
I don't blame you for forgetting Countdown or dropping it halfway through, but let's just get this out there now so we can stop making issues of it.
The Orion in Final Crisis 1 is NOT the same state of being we saw wander off in Countdown 1. This Orion is the newborn version.
In Death of the New Gods, The Source explained that the Gods of the third world plotted against him and attacked him, splitting his essense into a dark and light half. The Source created the 52 realities in an attempt to filter out the strength of the anti-life equation so he could absorb it and be whole again. In order to do this, he had to reclaim the souls of his New Gods to empower his light half.
The Source explains that his New Gods of science, of the fourth world, were flawed and petty due to him being only at half essense. They turned out hardly better than mortals, constantly warring and killing eachother. They were NOT what The Source intended to create after his previous ages of Gods were such failures as well.
While 'killing' his Gods, his intentions were to reclaim his dark half and then restore his chosen Gods back to life in a fifth world. The Source succeeds by provoking Scott Free, an avatar of the anti-life equation, against his Infinity Man, the avatar of the forces of light. The result was shattering of the source wall and a reborn Source. The clashing of the two cosmic elements allowed The Source to fully restore himself. The Source then brought Orion back to life and had him destroy his father, who had fled to Earth to claim his souls from Jimmy's body. Ray Palmer disables the device, releasing the souls, and Darkseid is obliterated by Orion, still burning from The Source's influence.
DCU#0 Shows events where Darkseid falls from the heavens, reborn through fire. He has just won the war against good in the afterlife and returned, taking human form.
At the end of Death of the New Gods, we saw The Source take the remains of New Genesis and Apokolips and merge them into a protoworld that would become the Fifth world.
In Final Crisis 1, we are now seeing these reborn New Gods, the ones chosen by The Source for his fifth world.
So far, they are:
The Black Racer, wearing dragonesque armor
Orion, wearing gold wiring on his uniform to replace his cosmic harness
Metron, now a being of shining silver
Godfrey Goode, reborn as a black minister
The rejected gods are those of Darkseid. They have taken human form on Earth due to Darkseid having won against the forces of Good. They are NOT New Gods at this point, but are something less. If Darkseid can take control from The Source, he can restore his family to Godhood again.
The reason Orion's murder is such a big deal in Final Crisis is because this IS a murder. The Source reclaiming their souls was not. This is the reborn Orion, the one chosen as the leader of his people. These new gods are not colorful super heroes, but are Gods, perhaps even menacing in their new perfected nature. Imagine what would happen if Zeus visited our reality and were killed by someone. I imagine the other Gods would have something to say about it. Harsh retribution, just like when man crucified Jesus Christ. Just keep in mind that this story takes place some time after Death of the New Gods and Countdown, and the Gods we are now seeing are NOTHING like their previous incarnations. These are ideal perfect entities and they are higher than you. They aren't Justice League members in circus costumes.
The reason the guardians placed a barrier around New Earth is because of 1011. Deicide. The murder of a diety. The Guardians are aware that the reborn New Gods are not way they used to be. They are the Gods of reality now. They also know that New Earth, as stated by the Monitors, is the lynchpin in which the multiverse relies. If the Gods ravage this place, the multiverse will colapse with it. It is imperative that they protect New Earth and try to solve the crime, or the New Gods will storm this world and lay waste to it.
Superman's behaviour in Final Crisis 1:
Alot of you are confused by Clark's behaviour in Final Crisis 1. Clark is the first mortal to truly see The Source. This is the point that Clark realized these are Gods and not superheroes from a futuristic planet. What Clark witnessed was a small-scale Armageddon. To inform the JLA and correct their perception of the New Gods was necessary. When they think of New Gods, much like the fans, they see Scott in his circus costume and his giant wife, and Orion with his temper problems beating up villains. They don't understand what the New Gods are/will become, but Clark does. The Source told him personally. Clark is a witness.
One of the key points in Final Crisis is to show the reader that the New Gods are no longer Kirby's colorful collection. They are terrifying. This is also what Clark is trying to convey to the other characters, as he learned during his trip to New Genesis. |
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As always...you guys are about as fairweather as Los Angeles sports fans...
I'm sorry, did any of you read Seven Soldiers?
Do you not remember the Mister Miracle portion of that story? Darksied was in semi-human guise...and he was holder of the Anti-life equation..
Spoiler alert>>>>>>>>
All of this comes and quells from not only 52, but also Countdown and The Seven-Soldiers of Victory saga...There are parts of those storylines that hold a place in there...And the Manhunter being killed....How can this not be huge? Come on people, THAT'S J'ONN J'ONZZ!The MARTIAN MANHUNTER! Killed at the behest of some second rate yahoo! Libra's setting a precedent...if he can take out the Manhunter, who the hell is next? You guys are being set up for something..Morrison is setting this up for ticking off fans bigtime..I say give it the chance it warrants...I'm on for the full ride..Because at least the damn devil didn't show up and say "POOF" there goes 20 years of history....
What the heck is Seven Soldiers? You ask the question as if it were required reading or something.
I'm with you on the full ride I think, unless it just gets worser & worser still. But my problem was not with the slow beginning, it was with the amount of difficulty I had in following it. At the end I basically had no idea what I'd just read. As one of those people who's coming to this without the past 20 years of DC history at his fingertips, I just didn't know who some of the seemingly main characters were. As some of the reviews of this issue have stated, just some very short expository captions would have gone a real long way. I mean, in your post you mention over 100 issues of two weekly comics that have been published over the past 100+ weeks, and who-knows-how-many issues of Seven Soldiers. That's a lot to expect everyone to have read in order to understand the first issue of a series, no?
I've picked up a couple (only a couple!!) Marvel comics lately, and they've all had these great little opening paragraphs, telling me in very broad strokes what's been going on. I can't tell you how helpful they've been.
It's obvious that comics are now quite different from when I was last a reader, in the mid-eighties. Every issue is part of a longer story, sometimes eight issues long or more, and even the longer stories have elements that run from one to the next. It takes a very good writer to pull this off, and still allow for new readers to jump on board and understand enough to stick around. With a comic like Final Crisis #1, supposedly a huge event that they'd like to get as many readers on as possible, they have to do something for sad sacks like myself, who just don't know the history or have never heard of some of the characters. Like, who the heck was that detective that talked to female Question, who called everyone "muk muk?" I've never heard of him before...
I know it's a totally unfair comparison, but while I was reading Final Crisis, I kept thinking of Watchmen. I of course had no idea who any of the characters were in that when I first read the first issue, but it was handled in such a way that I could get through it, enjoy it, and want to know more. Granted, it's like the best comic ever, but still, I'm just saying it can be done, and it can be done really well too!
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| Asked and answered...Speedy In a sense, yes, Seven Soldiers is required..to a true fan of any comic genre, all books that have to deal with any type of time/history/character altering event would be required reading...and in a perfect world, we would all be able to afford them all and have the time to read them all.. But this ain't that world...is it? All I'm saying is that not all books start off as Earth shattering..Though we would like to have a major jaw dropping event..but come on..THAT WEENIE RAN J'ONZZ THRU WITH A FLAMING SPEAR! Tell me that didn't tick you off! Don't know about you guys, but I've always thought the Martian Manhunter was cool character in the DCU...and to be taken out this way border's on infuriating.. So I'm just going to wait and see how it plays out..
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