InstantForum.NET v4.1.4The ComicsPriceGuide.com Boardshttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/comicguy@comicspriceguide.comSat, 21 Nov 2009 03:46:55 GMT20http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]oxbladder (6/29/2009)[/b][hr]But then no one would have any food slym :([/quote]<br><br>Let them die the ignominious death they deserve, then.<br><br><br><br>-slymWed, 22 Jul 2009 06:36:45 GMTslym2nonehttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxIts that weird $#@ thing called capitalism, which is functioning swimmingly in the world currently! :crazy::w00t:Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:41:33 GMTDeathlok2001http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxWow... i contributed (not much) to this thread on: 3/27/2009 :laugh:<br><br><br><br>----------------------------------<br><br><br>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:27:10 GMTowls headhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxBut then no one would have any food slym :(Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:32:19 GMToxbladderhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]spruce213 (6/28/2009)[/b][hr]but he makes sense. I see some guys on ebay selling common books that are graded 9.4 for a small fortune, not people buying them at that price I mean sellers who list them at small fortunes.<br><br>It's too ridiculous.<br>[/quote]<br><br>DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.<br><br><br><br>-slymMon, 29 Jun 2009 01:27:52 GMTslym2nonehttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]oxbladder (6/28/2009)[/b]<BR>(BTW if people are buying books at those "crazy" prices then isn't that what they are worth?)<BR>[/quote]<P>[URL=http://www.smileyvault.com/][IMG]http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/CBSA/smileyvault-cute-big-smiley-animated-024.gif[/IMG][/URL]<P>Thank you.Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:38:16 GMTDeadOnehttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxSo what? No one is forcing you to buy them ... or even look at their listings.<br><br>It is like your complaining about guides or publication not having accurate hot lists. Most of us don't care or we know that noting trends is pointless or is a marketing scheme.<br><br>In the end spend your money how you like and we will spend our money how we like.<br><br>(BTW if people are buying books at those "crazy" prices then isn't that what they are worth?)Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:13:17 GMToxbladderhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxbut he makes sense. I see some guys on ebay selling common books that are graded 9.4 for a small fortune, not people buying them at that price I mean sellers who list them at small fortunes.<br><br>It's too ridiculous.<br>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:08:09 GMTspruce213http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxYou ARE a no-class shill who only wants to stir up trouble.<br><br>EVERYONE - don't feed the troll. He'll eventually get hungry enough to go elsewhere to find his meal.<br><br><br><br>-slymSat, 27 Jun 2009 15:54:38 GMTslym2nonehttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI am the ANN Coulter of Canada!Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:35:39 GMTDeathlok2001http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI don't care if people want to throw $$$ at overpriced books. I figured people would use logic and restraint. <br><br>Its this entire materialism/capitalism/I must possess this object to validate my existence thing I find amusing.Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:45:33 GMTDeathlok2001http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxWell there is not much you can do about it. If somebody spends $100 on that book then that is what it is worth.<br><br>Your argument is the same laughable crap that a person with the initials MB used to use for the prices people were/are paying for OA from CURRENT big artists. He kept insisting that the hundreds of dollars people were spending was stupid because these artists were not as good as the guys he like from the bygone days that had earned their stripes over the previous decades. Sadly, though being a fairly "smart" person he did not realize that if people ARE paying that price then that IS what the OA was worth.<br><br>If you think it is stupid that Champions #1 CGC 9.6 sells for $100 that fine. I think people are crazy for spending that amount of money for that book too, especially since they would never agree on that grade or price unslabbed even if they could personally leaf through the book in person and they trust the dealer implicitly. But that is their choice. I have paid well over market value for slabbed and unslabbed books so I am not going to tell people they are out right wrong and blather on for months about it.<br><br>Remember too that the chances that that very same 9.6 will INCREASE in value now is slim since there is no serious shortage of that book. The faster these books hit crazy prices the faster they will plateau and eventually receive a "market adjustment".Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:43:03 GMToxbladderhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]oxbladder (6/7/2009)[/b][hr]And by your faulty logic everything else but "keys" should not increase in value at all? Book that are not "key" and nearly impossible to find are worthless too? By your logic New Fun Comics #2-4 should have no value at all. Yet people do pay hundreds or thousands for them.<br><br>The thing you fail to understand is that YOU do not decide what is worth something it is everyone. If someone want s to pay big money for a high grade Champions #1 or Ren & Stimpy #1 then that is what they value the book at. NO matter how stupid it may seem to you that is the reality of marketplace. Some people WANT to buy their books slabbed and see value added and there is little you can do about it. As well it isn't CGC's fault either they may use this wild and crazy marketplace to promote their services but they DON'T determine values for the books they grade people who buy them do.<br><br>getting your pretty pink panties in a bunch isn't worth it either. Its not your money and you aren't buying the books so why the F**K would you even care? Mind you I think it would be fun to see your reaction to the price that The Smurfs #1 (Marvel, Star) CGC 9.8 got on the market this year. That might cause all your bodily functions to cease and we would not have to put up with you incessant blubbering.<br><br>[/quote]<br><br>How did you know my panties are pink? :laugh:<br><br>They are not in a bunch! :blink:<br><br>I never said non key issues should not increase in value. BUt they should not be $5 in the guide, but CGC 9.6 = $100!!!!!!<br><br>Thats just stupid!Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:28:19 GMTDeathlok2001http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx:blink:<br><br>I don't know whether to laugh... or laugh long and loud.<br><br><br><br>-slymFri, 12 Jun 2009 05:42:30 GMTslym2nonehttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxAnd by your faulty logic everything else but "keys" should not increase in value at all? Book that are not "key" and nearly impossible to find are worthless too? By your logic New Fun Comics #2-4 should have no value at all. Yet people do pay hundreds or thousands for them.<br><br>The thing you fail to understand is that YOU do not decide what is worth something it is everyone. If someone want s to pay big money for a high grade Champions #1 or Ren & Stimpy #1 then that is what they value the book at. NO matter how stupid it may seem to you that is the reality of marketplace. Some people WANT to buy their books slabbed and see value added and there is little you can do about it. As well it isn't CGC's fault either they may use this wild and crazy marketplace to promote their services but they DON'T determine values for the books they grade people who buy them do.<br><br>getting your pretty pink panties in a bunch isn't worth it either. Its not your money and you aren't buying the books so why the F**K would you even care? Mind you I think it would be fun to see your reaction to the price that The Smurfs #1 (Marvel, Star) CGC 9.8 got on the market this year. That might cause all your bodily functions to cease and we would not have to put up with you incessant blubbering.<br><br>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:55:28 GMToxbladderhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxSO by this logic, Godzilla #1 from Marvel or Rima: The Jungle Girl from DC is a $100 book! LMFAO<br><br>Only key or significant issues should retain a high value. The fact that they are hard to find in high grade should have little impact. <br><br>Avengers #4 = key book<br><br>Amazing Spider-man #121, #129 = key books<br><br>Hulk #181 = key book<br><br><br><br><br>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:16:58 GMTDeathlok2001http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]JaguarGod (5/1/2009)[/b][hr]What do they do with trades? Do they just grade the cover and the outer portion of the pages? Do they not deduct for scuffing on a cover? Even sliding it in a plastic will scuff the cover to some extent.[/quote]<br><br>I had a Bone TPB that I read and re-read many times. When I finally passed it on to someone with kids that liked that character, he asked me if I went out and bought him a new copy instead of sending him my old one - no scuffing ANYWHERE, and the spine was not creased from opening it. What I am saying is, it is possible to keep TPBs looking "minty."<br><br> ;)<br><br><br><br>-slymSun, 03 May 2009 23:09:12 GMTslym2nonehttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI think this is a phase. People are speculating that graded comics are going to be worth money, otherwise, no sense in spending so much for a 10.0. If it's that important, find a 9.8 and submit it until it gets a 10.0 grade. No difference between a 9.8 and a 10.0. Neither allow for any flaws on the comic.<br><br>I also disagree with a graded book possibly being a 10.0. How can a comic whose spine has been cracked be GEM Mint. My ungraded books that are unread would have a better spine and thus have a higher chance of being GEM Mint than a book that has been handled. Part of what I consider when grading my books is whether the Spine is Virgin or Tight. No matter what you do to a book, once the spine is cracked, it's cracked. Same with a girl. There is no such thing as a "Born again Virgin".<br><br>The GEM Mint grade should be taken out completely because there is no way that any book that is handled, even properly can possibly be Gem Mint or they should give it a Purple Label or whatever and have it Qualified 10.0 and in the notes add that the spine was cracked in order for the book to be graded. What do they do with trades? Do they just grade the cover and the outer portion of the pages? Do they not deduct for scuffing on a cover? Even sliding it in a plastic will scuff the cover to some extent.<br><br>Another thing, I noticed that some of my books have ink that transferred to adjacent pages within the book. Would having the book enclosed in its CGC slab make it more prone to this? I can't figure out what did it to my books. If the micro chamber paper is used to prevent this, then there may be a problem with CGC books in the future because with me this has only happened on interior pages and not on the cover and first page.Fri, 01 May 2009 00:33:42 GMTJaguarGodhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]oxbladder (3/29/2009)[/b][hr]Slab it and stick a high grade on it and people will often trip over themselves to empty their wallet on to your lap. They have been programmed to believe that all high grade books are rare and exceedingly valuable. Funny thing is is take it out of the slab and God himself couldn't pass it off as that high grade nor would they even think of dumping more than $10 on it.<BR><BR>Unfortunately I have had to dole out lots of cash once in awhile to beat out some of these people to get books I want that happen to be slabbed.[/quote]</P><P>That makes you one of those "people".Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:09:15 GMTringer858http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxLet me take this thread in another direction...</P><P>Why is X-Factor (vol.1) rated so low? #1 is $5, and 99% of the issues are $3.00!? I know it came out in the mid-80's but still, we're talking about the second big Marvel mutie comic after Uncanny X-Men. And there is some age to the series, almost 25 years. The stories were better than most of the crap you get today and the art was better!</P><P>Same with The New Mutants, which is worse really, they go for $2.00 a piece at best (except #98 and one other issue which is like $10.00 and I have no idea why). Even #1 is $2.00! And this series is older than X-Factor!! And why is the Special #1, part 3 of 'The Asgardian Wars', only $2.50?!? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! Awesome story, awesome artwork... no love.:angry:</P><P>I recently bought some issues of The Champions, and even though I've read only the last two issues I can say that I'm confident it doesn't hold a candle to X-Factor or The New Mutants. Which means that about the only thing The Champions has on them is age. </P><P>You really want to know what the deal is, Deathlok? People like what they like, do what they do, when they want, how they want... and none of it makes sense. Zip. Zero. Nadda. None. You just gotta role with it...</P><P>-TomMon, 27 Apr 2009 13:00:06 GMTSlaymasterhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxMy guess is that, because it was not a particularly "POPULAR" title that there are not MANY 10.0 condition copies out there.<P>Take Marvel's "NIGHT NURSE" for example. In it's day! ...NOT very collected, Hence not many SAVED in MINT 10.0 condition... NOW the only 4 issues made are valued quite high in HIGH grade.</P><P>Maybe the same can be said for the "Champions" series. Only 17 issues. (Can you name how many MARVEL series never lasted more than 20 issues??? BTW: There are quite a few!!!)</P><P>It did not last very long, plus HOW MANY Die-Hard collectors "BACK IN THE DAY" really saved the title for investment purposes???</P><P>-FBTAWed, 22 Apr 2009 21:57:36 GMTfirebirdtahttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]Shadow (4/20/2009)[/b][hr]<br>The irony is, that they are still recent enough, that some poor shop could still have a case of 50 sitting in the back room. When they get spendy enough...they'll come out of the wood work. <br>Look at the CGC census of Amazing Spider-man #1 through the link on our pages...<br>Do you think there would have been over 1000 copies graded if it wasn't worth what it's worth??? :D[/quote]<br><br>ASM is a key issue and ASM is one of the most popular books so yes I would expect many to end out being graded. The fact that people pay extra helps but the fact it is a key book had/has a much larger effect.Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:24:01 GMToxbladderhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxThe other thing to keep in mind is that really high grade copies of most Bronze Age books are rarer than you would think...</P><P>90% of the vast overruns ended up in bins in comic shops all over the world...and because they were thought of as so much drek...they weren't handled with the best of care...so while they may be thousands of 9.0 and 9.2s...they are far fewer copies in 9.6, 9.8, or 10...at least, because of their low value, very few have been graded and cataloged...</P><P>The irony is, that they are still recent enough, that some poor shop could still have a case of 50 sitting in the back room. When they get spendy enough...they'll come out of the wood work. <BR>Look at the CGC census of Amazing Spider-man #1 through the link on our pages...<BR>Do you think there would have been over 1000 copies graded if it wasn't worth what it's worth??? :DMon, 20 Apr 2009 13:09:43 GMTShadowhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI agree the Champions were always a fun read and they combined so many characters together from different groups and had someone in it that most anyone could like. I read Defenders for the same reason =) Great mixture of Characters. I can understand also why they should be higher priced as they were not producing 10 billion copies back then and many of them would not be in VERY GOOD condition by nowand as was said people are going back now and picking up the books they read as a child. For me it was like a more light hearted read then the X-Men but had angel and iceman and hmm i think maybe the beast appeared in it once in awhile and I also read Ghost Rider too soo he was in there to boot. Herc was always a light hearted character also always ready for a good fight :) It is the same reason I enjoyed the Original Squadron Supreme before they went ALL POLITCAL and FULL of SHITT(like many comic fans and writers unfortunetly) . Contest of Champions was cool and then came Secret Wars where many different characters interacted all in one book and for just a litte $$ at the time. Simpler times and you could buy 20 or 30 books and it wouldn't cost you a fortune as it does now. The artwork really sucks *** for the most part too,yeah some nice artists here and there but it is hard even looking at many of the books let alone reading them! haha its 330 am and I am ranting and half asleep but oh well Champions FTW!!!! Dude relax they were a far better book then you gave it credit for and much better then ROM or Micronauts or whatever else it was you said which came out way later BTWMon, 20 Apr 2009 03:27:30 GMTquixelhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxSlab it and stick a high grade on it and people will often trip over themselves to empty their wallet on to your lap. They have been programmed to believe that all high grade books are rare and exceedingly valuable. Funny thing is is take it out of the slab and God himself couldn't pass it off as that high grade nor would they even think of dumping more than $10 on it.<br><br>Unfortunately I have had to dole out lots of cash once in awhile to beat out some of these people to get books I want that happen to be slabbed.Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:48:46 GMToxbladderhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI love this series got mine at 1/2 price nuff said..........so for me to see thoses $$$ paid for that series...</P><P>Jesse James Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:57:17 GMTjesjet1969http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxWhat made you think any of this had to do with quality of story or art??? :D</P><P>It's always been a matter of supply, demand, and imaginary value...;)...or hype.</P><P>Comics are monetarily "worth" their weight in scrap paper...if you can get more than that for them, more power to ya! ;) </P><P>If you set any kind of value on them other than the pleasure they give you...you're setting yourself up for a "financial meltdown"...:cool:</P><P>That depressing thought said...I think I'll go re-read a Dell Tarzan...that Jesse Marsh art was soooo cool....:DFri, 27 Mar 2009 09:14:29 GMTShadowhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI think it may have some appeal to folks like me (later 40's in age) or there about... not sure I would pay that kind of coin... but, again, think the biggest interest would be for folks my age, give or take... :dontknow:<br><br><br><br><br>----------------Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:31:22 GMTowls headhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]Deathlok2001 (3/7/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]Boboset (3/7/2009)[/b][hr]I want a 9.6 Champions #1... if I get a good enough deal. That is one hell of a Marvel BA cover there, and it IS a semi Marvel BA key issue, it really is. But I do see and <U>completlyagree</U> with what you're saying, just not with THE CHAMPIONS![/quote]<BR><BR>Ok, how is it historically significant in comic history?<BR>[/quote]</P><P>It's Champions#1 that's how. Go google it or something I don't know. Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:01:42 GMTBobosethttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI've read most of that series. Not a very good idea for a team, the writer could figure out what to do with them (was that Tony Isabella?)</P><P>I'd recommend collecting it in slabbed form. ;)Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:07:20 GMTRobbiehttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspx[quote][b]Boboset (3/7/2009)[/b][hr]I want a 9.6 Champions #1... if I get a good enough deal. That is one hell of a Marvel BA cover there, and it IS a semi Marvel BA key issue, it really is. But I do see and <U>completlyagree</U> with what you're saying, just not with THE CHAMPIONS![/quote]<br><br>Ok, how is it historically significant in comic history?<br>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:37:54 GMTDeathlok2001http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI too think that super high grade label chasers are little off their rockers, but in this hobby it's difficult to find a position of pure rationality from which to dispense one's incredulity. ;)Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:31:28 GMTSpeedy-Dhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI want a 9.6 Champions #1... if I get a good enough deal. That is one hell of a Marvel BA cover there, and it IS a semi Marvel BA key issue, it really is. But I do see and <U>completly agree</U> with what you're saying, just not with THE CHAMPIONS!Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:30:19 GMTBobosethttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxYou know when I saw this title I was going why is this guy coming down on The Defenders? Suddenly I see that you are talking about The Champions with Hercules and Ghost Rider and well, I have to agree.Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:15:41 GMTThe Jokerhttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxThats crazy! So basically, its people with more $$$ than brains purchased these books! :D:P;):w00t:<br><br>Today, I saw a 9.6 Champions #1 going for $125 with 13 bids! LMFAOSat, 07 Mar 2009 14:01:42 GMTDeathlok2001http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxI assume it's a combination of label chasers and high grade collectors with a genuine nostalgic feel for the title, that said I understand how you feel.</P><P>Earl.Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:10:58 GMTEarl Davishttp://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/Topic52684-23-1.aspxit makes no sense, regardless how perfect the condition the book is, for a title with no historical significance in comic history, to be valued beyond $10. The title was never popular, only two of the original 5 characters have current titles, there were no later versions of the Champions, and Don (what the) Heck isn't an artist that's highly sought after by collectors.<br><br>This is the best example of the flaw of slab pricing. While it has established a standard in grading books, the pricing going on EBay is so removed from the reality of historical pricing. If Champions #1 is worth $125, then perfect first issues of ROM or Micronauts or Shotgun Warriors should be too. Hell even the recent Supreme Power slabbed which you think is stupidly over-priced, is actually a bargain in the context of EBay bidding.<br><br>Can anyone explain this to me? Why are non histrocial bronze age books going for such crazy prices? They price should not be based on condition of book alone!Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:24:18 GMTDeathlok2001