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texranger37 — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:23:00 GMT

Thank you Sherlock,

I hope it helped to put the controversy in a different light.

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texranger37 — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:47:02 GMT

In the last paragraph I meant to say: If the majority does nothing when the minority is disrespected in such a manner, this serves to reinforce the beliefs of the minority that they are hated, different, inferior, and ugly.

David

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Smallville417 — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:41:54 GMT

Great post texranger37.

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texranger37 — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:38:33 GMT

Hmmm,

A lot of what you gentlemen are saying makes a great deal of sense. But what we must consider is the problem of "double counsciousness". This affliction is often carried for hundreds of years by those who are either colonized or enslaved. The power of the colonizer's stereotypes effect the colonized in many negative ways. I do not want to deal with this in "black" and "white". The "minority" are already acutely aware of their differences from the "majority", and physical stereotypes reinforce the idea that they are somehow "ugly", deficient, or less than the "majority" (note the simian-like appearance). This mentality is not beneficial for the minority, or for any society as a whole. Imagine seeing yourself through your own eyes, and through the eyes of another race simultaneously; now imagine growing up with these deficient beliefs, and further siring children who will carry these beliefs as well. This leads to anger, frustration, hatred, and the like, and we all can do without that.

In the case of this comic character, he may be Cuban, but remember there are "claros", "morenos", and "negros" in hispanic culture as well which are as subject to stereotypical treatments, and class separations like in American culture. I agree sometimes that some of these African American activists go over board, but if you look at how they (African Americans) were treated in this country not even half a century ago (denied the right to vote, lynching, water hoses, attacked by police dogs), one might be able to understand such a scramble to respond to issues like this, they do not want to ever be degraded or humiliated like that again. I understand that. If I drew a picture of a white lipped monkey, and presented it to your child and said, "That's what you look like to me," a great number of you would probably douse my torch posthaste, yes? Now extend that to a whole race of people and tell me that that does not hurt on some level, especially after the atrocities of the past. If the majority does nothing when the majority is disrespected in such a manner, this serves to reinforce the beliefs of the minority that they are hated, different, inferior, and ugly. That is bad for everyone involved; the seeds of disharmony lead to disunity lead to strife. We all sink or swim together.

Respectfully,

David

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awillis — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:57:11 GMT

Stereotyping has been around as a story telling mechanism for centuries. Stereotyping has been taught in script writing classes for years for use in movies and animated shorts. The concept of it was to set up the character as quickly as possible to keep character developement to a minimum, by using peoples preconceptions . Unfortunately, some of the uses were based on questionable preconceptions. The other day on "Last Comic Standing", Richard Belzer gave a public dressing down to a southern prop comic who had done a rather inventive prop sketch (some of the props were inventive) showing two WWII aviators in a dogfight, one American and one Japanese. The comic used distinct stereotyping in his portrayal of the two pilots. Belzer said it is no longer legal for one ethnic group to make light of another ethnic group. I wonder what he thought of "Borat". I don't think stereotyping will go away, but it will be controlled by the marketplace, to a degree. Even though "Borat" used it extensively, the movie was a commercial success. It's a matter of laughing with or at and the preceptions that go with it.

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Remote_kill — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:44:13 GMT

When Walmart brings back Comics on a RACK..and actually combines them in a pack for a discount again..

I'll give a crap.

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Speedy-D — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:07:58 GMT

Yeah but c'mon. That Sambo-type image has very specific and negative connotations in our country. I don't find it at all surprising that people would find this offensive. If I came across a modern comic series where the main character was an evil looming Jew hoarding gold and boiling Christian babies, I'd certainly be shocked. Actually, I'd be more amused than offended, but that's just me.

Comparing this to Manga is quite a stretch.

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WOLFEN — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:46:45 GMT

PLEASE SLYM...That controversy shut down an entire chain of restaurants...

And I used to like Sambo's...

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slym2none — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:50:08 GMT

I am going to do the comic-book re-make of "Little Black Sambo" and see what kind of controversy [b]that[/b] starts...

Tiger supporters will have a field day!

:w00t: :P :D

-slym

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catal77 — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:36:01 GMT

if they can get upset about that. i as a hispanic want to get speedy gonzales and slowpoke rodriguez pulled from all wb cartoons or i will call jose x to come and hold a rally. also taco bell needs to stop using spanish words in their food because i am offended they call that crap by mexican names. oh yeah that stupid chihuaha needs to be pulled off. i am now getting a lawyer.

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Havok — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:20:03 GMT

[quote][b]Murray Clack (7/12/2008)[/b][hr]Honestly, I can understand how the black community would take offense, but wouldn't it be safe to say that EVERY cartoon-y character exaggerates some sort of stereotype?

Anime and Manga stereotypes white people by having big bugged-out eyes with pasty-white flesh. And I am still trying to figure out why in the Simpsons all races are "chromatically correct" EXCEPT white people. Why are they colored yellow?

The only characters that are drawn "accurately" are those from "King of the Hill"[/quote]

I agree, theres a difference between being blatantly offensive and people being to damn sensitive about everything. If you travel to any other country in the world you'll see things 10x worse then this on a regular basis. It's time people stop being so overly sensitive about everything, and learn to just focus on things that are actually worth attention.

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Murray Clack — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:46:14 GMT

Honestly, I can understand how the black community would take offense, but wouldn't it be safe to say that EVERY cartoon-y character exaggerates some sort of stereotype?

Anime and Manga stereotypes white people by having big bugged-out eyes with pasty-white flesh. And I am still trying to figure out why in the Simpsons all races are "chromatically correct" EXCEPT white people. Why are they colored yellow?

The only characters that are drawn "accurately" are those from "King of the Hill"

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WOLFEN — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:01:48 GMT

The "Mexican" public by in large don't have a problem with it, because they don't see any harm...but by Mexican, I'm talking about the Country of Mexico, and its population who have grown up with this character.

The Hispanic community that reside in America, though..well that's another story. They may have a problem as they share their neighborhoods with people of different races and for the most part can and should understand where this can see as offensive to the African-American community. Whether he is cuban/mexican...or not...the point is it is a characature that has not changed or evoled since the 40's. Not only is it a point as to how the society refuses to move into the future, but still see's other people and cultures.

Sad, isn't it...

I agree with Argus..Wally world was right in pulling it..but to make a big deal..What..are they going to get a country like Mexico to change their views on things? hardly...by shouting and screaming at Wal-Mart? no..I don't think so..

And Ol'd Quanell X just found a way to get his 15 minutes of fame..

Sad..isn't it..

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ZombiesAteMyBrain — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:24:46 GMT

Anyone actually read the whole article?The character isn't even black. He's Cuban. I can still see how some would be offended, but it makes the fact that African-American "community activists" are calling for its removal kind of bizzare.:P

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Set 0ne — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:33:36 GMT

I see..

But I want to know does the Mexican population have a problem with it?

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argus — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:31:07 GMT

As I worked for Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. for over 10 years, I can tell you that I am not at all surprised that the comic was pulled.

When Maxim first started being put onto Wal-Mart's magazine racks, about every 3 issues had to be pulled because some customers thought they were too graphic.

Remember Sheryl Crow's album (the second one, I think) was never sold at Wal-Mart because one of the lines of a song mentioned 'a gun they bought at Wal-Mart Discount Stores.'

Someone caught that before the merchandise hit the stores.

Someone SHOULD have caught that comic before it hit the shelves. Someone in Bentonville should have thought...hmmm....this may not go over well with the American public.

Do I think it is wrong to sell the comic? No......

Do I think Wal-Mart was smart in pulling it? Absolutely. They have enough controversy as it is.

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firebirdta — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:28:34 GMT

The last time I actually saw a comic (in any form) for sell in walmart was when Star Wars: The Phantom Menace was released.

But clearly unless any of us live in a hispanic (WALMART) community, none of us will ever be exposed to this character.

But I can see where african-americans (politically correct) would be offended by this comic. BUT is was not meant to be purchased by them... so I can see where it should be allowed to be sold.

-FBTA

PS. I am TOTALLY against censorship! I may not agree with what you have to say! BUT I'll fight to the death your right to say it!

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Ringfinger — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:35:27 GMT

[quote][b]Remote_kill (7/10/2008)[/b][hr]Wasn't aware they sold any forms of comics anymore these days.[/quote]

I've not seen any.

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Remote_kill — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:53:26 GMT

Wasn't aware they sold any forms of comics anymore these days.

Walmart Bans comic

superpro — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:49:51 GMT

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,379481,00.html[/url]

I can see where the would be offensive..